What would you use to host VM's
What open source framework would you use to host a limited number < 50 VM's Ideally has a GUI, but not absolutely necessary. Dave Cramer
On 08/03/16 03:18 PM, Dave Cramer wrote:
What open source framework would you use to host a limited number < 50 VM's
Ideally has a GUI, but not absolutely necessary.
Dave Cramer
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At the bottom end you can use virsh/libvirt and virt-manager to handle a small to medium number of VM's over a number of host machines. There is also complete distributions like Proxmox that can manage VM's There are several cloud frameworks that will allow you to build out to large size. I have worked with a number of the OpenStack toolkits and you can get reasonable simple installation using RDO Packstack. The upside of cloud frameworks over libvirt or proxmox is that you have better isolation between VMs if that is important to you. The biggest problem is that there is SO much choice and all the products have a lot of capability overlap. Are these 50VMs going to be running at the same time or will it be something like 50 test images and only 1 or 2 running at one time? How may host machines to you expect to have? Do you plan to have a separate system to manage and co-ordinate the VMs? On 03/08/2016 03:18 PM, Dave Cramer wrote:
What open source framework would you use to host a limited number < 50 VM's
Ideally has a GUI, but not absolutely necessary.
Dave Cramer
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On 8 March 2016 at 15:33, Alvin Starr <alvin@netvel.net> wrote:
At the bottom end you can use virsh/libvirt and virt-manager to handle a small to medium number of VM's over a number of host machines.
Ya I was aware of this, works fine for a "couple"
There is also complete distributions like Proxmox that can manage VM's
There are several cloud frameworks that will allow you to build out to large size. I have worked with a number of the OpenStack toolkits and you can get reasonable simple installation using RDO Packstack.
The upside of cloud frameworks over libvirt or proxmox is that you have better isolation between VMs if that is important to you.
The biggest problem is that there is SO much choice and all the products have a lot of capability overlap.
Hence the question
Are these 50VMs going to be running at the same time or will it be something like 50 test images and only 1 or 2 running at one time?
not all on the same host obviously
How may host machines to you expect to have?
as required by the VM's
Do you plan to have a separate system to manage and co-ordinate the VMs?
I gather this is a good idea? Dave Cramer
On 03/08/2016 03:18 PM, Dave Cramer wrote:
What open source framework would you use to host a limited number < 50 VM's
Ideally has a GUI, but not absolutely necessary.
Dave Cramer
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On 03/08/2016 03:38 PM, Dave Cramer wrote:
On 8 March 2016 at 15:33, Alvin Starr <alvin@netvel.net <mailto:alvin@netvel.net>> wrote:
At the bottom end you can use virsh/libvirt and virt-manager to handle a small to medium number of VM's over a number of host machines.
Ya I was aware of this, works fine for a "couple"
Well I run 4 host systems with with about 20 defined VMs but I usually only have 5-10 running at any given time. It works ok and is just there out of the box with no worries about configuration.
There is also complete distributions like Proxmox that can manage VM's
There are several cloud frameworks that will allow you to build out to large size. I have worked with a number of the OpenStack toolkits and you can get reasonable simple installation using RDO Packstack.
The upside of cloud frameworks over libvirt or proxmox is that you have better isolation between VMs if that is important to you.
The biggest problem is that there is SO much choice and all the products have a lot of capability overlap.
Hence the question
Are these 50VMs going to be running at the same time or will it be something like 50 test images and only 1 or 2 running at one time?
not all on the same host obviously
I have a client who has a couple of 768GB of ram systems so 50VMs on a box that big would be doable.
How may host machines to you expect to have?
as required by the VM's
Do you plan to have a separate system to manage and co-ordinate the VMs?
I gather this is a good idea?
Take a look at RDO packstack. You can start with the --allinone install to play and get a feel for how OpenStack works. Another solution that I forgot to mention is Mirantis. They have an excellent product that installs and manages OpenStack. They are primarily trying to sell their services but they are based on opensource so you can get a reduced less friendly version from the net. To their credit if you have a rack full of servers and a Mirantis image you can have a working cloud the same day. If you feel like giving Packstack a try find me off the list and I can talk you through getting started. I searched out the following for a client a couple of years ago and I am sure it will put you to sleep tracking them all down and searching.** * Abiquo <http://www.abiquo.com/>* * Supporting VMware ESX, ESXi, Microsoft Hyper-V, Citrix XenServer / Xen, Virtual Box and KVM, Abiquo supports all the common virtualization engines. Designed for multi-tenancy and available in both a free community edition and an enterprise edition with different features. * *CA 3Tera AppLogic <http://www.3tera.com/>* Commercial platform from 3Tera based on Xen, designed for commodity hardware without the need for a SAN due to its integrated distributed storage solution. Web interface, API and resource metering is included in the AppLogic turnkey solution. * *Cloud.com CloudStack <http://www.cloud.com/>* Designed for multi-tenant solutions with support for Xenserver, VM and VMware vSphere. Cloud.com’s CloudStack supports billing/metering, web interface, APIs based on existing standards and virtual networking with segmentation of network traffic into VLANs. * *Convirture ConVirt <http://www.convirture.com/>* Available in an open source and commercial version, both with support for thin provisioning, template library, live migration while only the commercial version support high availability, backup functionality, VLAN integration and resource limiting. * *ElasticStack <http://www.elasticstack.com/>* The ElasticStack platform is offered by cloud provider ElasticHosts, designed specially for service providers with billing, web administration and API. Removes the need for a SAN, but utilizing storage on the local hypervisor nodes. * *Enomaly Elastic Computing Platform (ECP) <http://www.enomally.com/>* Designed for service providers with automation in mind, with the ability to integrate with existing billing systems via Enomalys API. Includes self-service web interface and support for the most common hypervisors, as well as a special feature that enables Enomaly providers to sell spare capacity via their SpotCloud platform. * *Eucalyptus <http://www.eucalyptus.com/>* Eucalyptus is an open source cloud platform, available with commercial support, that was originally started as a university project but since commercialized. Designed to be hypervisor agnostic and compatible with the widely used EC2 API. * *Flexiant Extility <http://www.extility.com/>* Extility was created by cloud provider Flexiant to manage entire virtual data centers, and provides a turnkey cloud solution aimed at service providers with full API as well as an extensive web based control panel with integrated billing. In addition a commodity based SAN solution called Flexisan can also be provided to remove the need for enterprise storage. * *HP CloudSystem <http://www8.hp.com/us/en/solutions/solutions-detail.html?compURI=tcm:245-825635>* An enterprise oriented commercial solution from HP, designed for both private, public and hybrid clouds. Designed with automation in mind and includes a self-service portal with built in service catalog with support for predefined templates. * *IBM CloudBurst <http://www-01.ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/cloudburst/>* IBM CloudBurst is an enterprise targeted product providing resource monitoring and cost management through a self service portal with built in service catalog and prepackaged templates. * *Incontinuum CloudController <http://www.incontinuum.com/>* Commercial solution from the Dutch company InContinuum Software, that automates and simplifies the management of a virtual data center. * *Nimbula Director <http://www.nimbula.com/>* Nimbula Director was created by some of the people behind Amazons EC2 technology, and aim to provide both enterprises and service proviers with a simple software solution to build private, public or hybrid clod infrastructure. Includes both web administration plus API, and available in a free edition for smaller deployments. * *Novell Cloud Manager <http://www.novell.com/products/cloud-manager/>* The Novell Cloud Manager is a commercial solution aimed at enterprise usage, with utilization tracking, template based provisioning, VLAN management and built in pricing plus approval process for provisioning. * *OnApp <http://www.onapp.com/>* OnApp is a turnkey solution aimed specially at hosting providers, integrating with existing billing solutions widely used by service providers and providing end user API and control panel. Originates from the service provider VPS.NET, but today OnApp is an independent company. * *OpenNebula <http://www.opennebula.org/>* Fully open source solution that provides a set of management tools with full API and a simple web interface, enabling organizations to build their own cloud platform around it to fit their own needs. Commercial solutions with support also available. * *OpenQRM <http://www.openqrm.com/>* Open source solution with commercial support, aiming to provide a complete data center management platform with focus on automation, rapid deployment, monitoring and high availability cloud computing. Support the most common hypervisors as well as OpenVZ, Virtualbox and LXC. * *OpenStack <http://www.openstack.org/>* OpenStack is an open source project originating from Rackspace and NASA, aiming to provide more open standards within the industry. OpenStack includes both a compute and a storage project. * *Parallels Automation for Cloud Infrastructure (CI) <http://www.parallels.com/eu/products/iaas/>* Cloud Infrastructure from Parallels is part of their Automation product, intended to automate the provisioning and management of virtual servers for service providers. Designed for multi-tenancy and integrated with their billing, management is available either via control panel or API. * *VMware vCloud <http://www.vmware.com/products/vcloud/overview.html>* VMware vCloud solutions are commercial solutions based on VMwares own hypervisor, making it possible to provide on-demand, pay-as-you-go infrastructure as a service. * *Xen Cloud Platform (XCP) <http://www.xen.org/products/cloudxen.html>* XCP is an open source solution based on the Xen Hypervisor, aimed to cover the isolation and security needs of a multi-tenant deployment. API support as well as some community driven graphical user interfaces.
Dave Cramer
On 03/08/2016 03:18 PM, Dave Cramer wrote:
What open source framework would you use to host a limited number < 50 VM's
Ideally has a GUI, but not absolutely necessary.
Dave Cramer
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