A new holy trinity? (Arch/Hyprland/Omarchy)
Hi all, I've never considered myself much of a distribution-hopper. Traditionally I would stick with a single distribution for many years until it either folded (Caldera, Mandriva) or made a major decision that drove me away (Mint dropping KDE, Ubuntu inventing snaps). I have almost never gone TO a distribution that was unique in having something that I (think that) I want. I'm on Fedora now because it's safe and stable while being more current in its software than Ubuntu (and by extension Ubuntu-based distros). When I first mentioned Hyprland in August. Ron mentioned (correctly) that its default config is pretty basic, and unlike current GUI tools its configurations are generaly done by editing files under the ~/.config directory. I've been playing with Hyprland under Fedora (with a login-time choice between it and KDE Plasma) and installed some complementary launchers, status bars, etc. To ease the use of Hyprland, a number of people have come forward with instal scripts that would install a list of complementary apps and then install a set of Hyprland config files that would bring these components together into a nice looking system, nearly but not quite a Linux desktop that could replace GNOME, KDE or Cinnamon. And then I came across Omarchy <https://omarchy.org/>. Wow. It's not only a set of FOSS supporting apps and configuration scripts. It builds on top of Weyland and Hyprland to provide the first truly new desktop paradigm I've come across in ages. Far less mouse-dependent, makes heavy use of the "Super" key (which is either ⌘ or ⊞ depending on whether you're on a Mac or PC), very compete and very fast. Plus, its defaults can be easily changed in the config files but wow, what a reference point to start from. I encourage readers here to at least have a look at it, described in loving detail by its creator in this YouTube video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcHY0AEd2Uw>. Problem is.... it only really works well under Arch as it's closely tied to the pacman package manager and other Arch-isms. No other distros are supported. If Omarchy is the killer app that I think it is, I might just try it, which means leaving Fedora after less than a year. So after all that preamble ... my question is here, for anyone who has ever run Arch: Outside of the software-release and installation systems, is there anything significant that I would need to consider if switching? Going from Ubuntu to Fedora was utterly painless, I wonder if Fedora to Arch would be too... Any experiences with Arch, Hyprland or Omarchy are greatly appreciated. - Evan
Evan Leibovitch via Talk wrote on 2025-09-24 00:28:
And then I came across Omarchy <https://omarchy.org/>.
Any experiences with Arch, Hyprland or Omarchy are greatly appreciated.
I tried Manjaro way back in the day, probably when Unity came out on Ubuntu 10.xx or so. Manjaro because I wasn't keen at the time on bootstrapping an Arch system as no "live boot" method was available. I wonder if that's changed? I really liked the `pacman` package manager. Worth noting that the Steam Deck is built on Arch and KDE Linux is moving to Arch (and is going to be the official KDE, so no more KDEneon). Seems like it's getting a lot of attention lately and that's a vote of confidence in my book.
I encourage readers here to at least have a look at it, described in loving detail by its creator in this YouTube video <https:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcHY0AEd2Uw>.
I did watch some of the video, Omarchy looks quite nice. I could see myself trying out a tiling window manager - maybe - someday. Might dip my toes in the tiling features already built into KDE's kwin first. At the risk of going off-topic ****************************** At the risk of going off-topic, that guy who posted the video, David Heinemeier Hansson, is a recognizable name. He's the guy behind Ruby. He's also been in the news because a week ago he published a controversial post that might be worth mentioning here:
As I remember London
London is no longer the city I was infatuated with in the late '90s and early 2000s. Chiefly because it's no longer full of native Brits. In 2000, more than sixty percent of the city were native Brits. By 2024, that had dropped to about a third. A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now.
Some people might be uncomfortable associating with DHH after that. https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64
So after all that preamble ... my question is here, for anyone who has ever run Arch: Outside of the software-release and installation systems, is there anything significant that I would need to consider if switching?
Only thing I can think of is that installation procedure, and my knowledge of it might be way out of date. Back on-topic *************
If Omarchy is the killer app that I think it is, I might just try it, which means leaving Fedora after less than a year.
It looks quite nice and further tempts me into tiling. If I were to go that way, I think I'd stick to Hyprland to give me the choice of underlying distro though. That and the DHH post being highly sympathetic to "Tommy Robinson" makes me hesitant to touch anything he's involved with at this time. Not in a mood to be very forgiving of that stuff these days. YMMV!
I read that and for a second wondered if it was related to things like aristocracy, timocracty and the like. --dave On 9/24/25 05:38, Ron via Talk wrote:
Evan Leibovitch via Talk wrote on 2025-09-24 00:28:
And then I came across Omarchy <https://omarchy.org/>.
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From: Ron via Talk <talk@lists.gtalug.org>
At the risk of going off-topic, that guy who posted the video, David Heinemeier Hansson, is a recognizable name. He's the guy behind Ruby.
Ouch! That sent me down a rat-hole. I did learn that the German word for "the west" is Abendlandes, literally "evening lands". VETO.
It looks quite nice and further tempts me into tiling.
I don't understand the attraction of tiling. Can someone explain it? I certainly use vertical tiling in my terminal-based text editor. I don't imagine it as a good way of managing a decent screen.
On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 11:02 AM D. Hugh Redelmeier via Talk < talk@lists.gtalug.org> wrote:
From: Ron via Talk <talk@lists.gtalug.org>
At the risk of going off-topic, that guy who posted the video, David Heinemeier Hansson, is a recognizable name. He's the guy behind Ruby.
Ouch!
That sent me down a rat-hole.
I went down a different rat-hole. One that dealt more with his coding and race-car history than his global politics (which aren't mentioned at all in his wikipedia entry). The most interesting tract of his that I found is The Rails Doctrine <https://rubyonrails.org/doctrine>, with which I can find little to disagree. That document also introduces the software application of the Japanese dining concept of *omakase,* which is also the source of the name Omarchy. I also note that one of the tenets of the Rails Doctrine is "Push Up a Big Tent <https://rubyonrails.org/doctrine#big-tent>", which works nicely for me in the political context also under discussion. - Evan
It's for people with big monitor. :-) On 2025-09-24 11:01, D. Hugh Redelmeier via Talk wrote:
I don't understand the attraction of tiling. Can someone explain it?
I certainly use vertical tiling in my terminal-based text editor. I don't imagine it as a good way of managing a decent screen.
On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 11:01:50AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via Talk wrote:
I don't understand the attraction of tiling. Can someone explain it?
I certainly use vertical tiling in my terminal-based text editor. I don't imagine it as a good way of managing a decent screen.
As someone that runs almost everything full screen, I too have trouble understanding tiling window managers. The couple of times I tried one, I instantly hated everything about it and went back to something "normal". -- Len Sorensen
[ Changed the subject because it was indeed off-topic ] On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 5:39 AM Ron via Talk <talk@lists.gtalug.org> wrote:
At the risk of going off-topic ******************************
At the risk of going off-topic, that guy who posted the video, David Heinemeier Hansson, is a recognizable name. He's the guy behind Ruby.
He's also been in the news because a week ago he published a controversial post that might be worth mentioning here:
As I remember London [...] Some people might be uncomfortable associating with DHH after that.
I did not know anything about Hansson's post, but knowing it now does not and will not change my interest in the software. With very few exceptions I have no problem separating the artist from the art. I enjoy Woody Allen movies. I have no problem with Harry Potter books. I think Dave Chappelle is a genius. I shop at Home Depot. I like Ben and Jerry's ice cream. Starlink is a globally-useful innovation. And Volkswagen makes fine cars. I do disagree with the politics and political history of a number of the above, but even worse IMO is the guilt-by-association. I consider it, and its natural evolution to cancel culture of all persuasions, to be massively harmful to a free society. I've seen this polarization destroy longtime relationships and inhibit vital conversations. In the case of the Omarchy software itself, Hansson's strong commitment to open source, extensive documentation, ease of use and graphic simplicity are the ethics that matter to me. To me, the link between using a coder's software and endorsing their global politics is ludicrous. That and the DHH post being highly sympathetic to "Tommy Robinson" makes me
hesitant to touch anything he's involved with at this time.
FWIW I have family in the UK and they're scared shitless of their country that is increasingly pursuing thought-crime as the solution to its many problems. Happy to engage further, but not in this thread. Not in a mood to be very forgiving of that stuff these days.
There are some things about which I feel very strongly. However, even moreso I believe that there is no hope in this polarized world without some forgiveness, conversation, and finding common ground. The heat badly needs to be dialed down all around, while politicians and media (old and new) do just the opposite. Happy to talk offline since most of this is WAY out of scope ... except for the parts that impede one's ability to have the best possible open source software experience. - Evan
If you’re open to Ubuntu again, maybe try Omakub instead of Omarchy? https://learn.omacom.io/3/omacom/73/omarchy-or-omakub Alternatively, you could try manually installing Omarchy on top of something like CachyOS (an Arch-based distro with performance optimizations and a live medium based install process with a GUI installer)? Someone wrote a script to do that: https://github.com/mroboff/omarchy-on-cachyos although it seems like Omarchy 3.x is not supported yet… there also seem to be plenty of Reddit posts suggesting the manual install script for omarchy for Arch works on a fresh CachyOS install, FWIW. Rouben On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 03:28 Evan Leibovitch via Talk < talk@lists.gtalug.org> wrote:
Hi all,
I've never considered myself much of a distribution-hopper. Traditionally I would stick with a single distribution for many years until it either folded (Caldera, Mandriva) or made a major decision that drove me away (Mint dropping KDE, Ubuntu inventing snaps). I have almost never gone TO a distribution that was unique in having something that I (think that) I want. I'm on Fedora now because it's safe and stable while being more current in its software than Ubuntu (and by extension Ubuntu-based distros).
When I first mentioned Hyprland in August. Ron mentioned (correctly) that its default config is pretty basic, and unlike current GUI tools its configurations are generaly done by editing files under the ~/.config directory.
I've been playing with Hyprland under Fedora (with a login-time choice between it and KDE Plasma) and installed some complementary launchers, status bars, etc.
To ease the use of Hyprland, a number of people have come forward with instal scripts that would install a list of complementary apps and then install a set of Hyprland config files that would bring these components together into a nice looking system, nearly but not quite a Linux desktop that could replace GNOME, KDE or Cinnamon.
And then I came across Omarchy <https://omarchy.org/>.
Wow. It's not only a set of FOSS supporting apps and configuration scripts. It builds on top of Weyland and Hyprland to provide the first truly new desktop paradigm I've come across in ages. Far less mouse-dependent, makes heavy use of the "Super" key (which is either ⌘ or ⊞ depending on whether you're on a Mac or PC), very compete and very fast. Plus, its defaults can be easily changed in the config files but wow, what a reference point to start from.
I encourage readers here to at least have a look at it, described in loving detail by its creator in this YouTube video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcHY0AEd2Uw>.
Problem is.... it only really works well under Arch as it's closely tied to the pacman package manager and other Arch-isms. No other distros are supported.
If Omarchy is the killer app that I think it is, I might just try it, which means leaving Fedora after less than a year.
So after all that preamble ... my question is here, for anyone who has ever run Arch: Outside of the software-release and installation systems, is there anything significant that I would need to consider if switching? Going from Ubuntu to Fedora was utterly painless, I wonder if Fedora to Arch would be too...
Any experiences with Arch, Hyprland or Omarchy are greatly appreciated.
- Evan
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From: Evan Leibovitch via Talk <talk@lists.gtalug.org>
I've never considered myself much of a distribution-hopper. Traditionally I would stick with a single distribution for many years until it either folded (Caldera, Mandriva) or made a major decision that drove me away (Mint dropping KDE, Ubuntu inventing snaps). I have almost never gone TO a distribution that was unique in having something that I (think that) I want. I'm on Fedora now because it's safe and stable while being more current in its software than Ubuntu (and by extension Ubuntu-based distros).
I value you as a pioneer: I like to hear your adventures without having to suffer them myself. Keep reporting! I've mostly stuck to Fedora and its ancestors for 30 years. I've tried a few others on secondary computers but haven't found anything that draws me in. If I were truly adventurous, I'd move to Plan 9, but the missing applications (browser!) make that too much of a regression. One great thing about Linux is that if a distro goes bad in some way, there are always a bunch of reasonable replacements.
On Wed, 24 Sept 2025 at 03:29, Evan Leibovitch via Talk <talk@lists.gtalug.org> wrote:
Hi all,
I've never considered myself much of a distribution-hopper. Traditionally I would stick with a single distribution for many years until it either folded (Caldera, Mandriva) or made a major decision that drove me away (Mint dropping KDE, Ubuntu inventing snaps). I have almost never gone TO a distribution that was unique in having something that I (think that) I want. I'm on Fedora now because it's safe and stable while being more current in its software than Ubuntu (and by extension Ubuntu-based distros).
When I first mentioned Hyprland in August. Ron mentioned (correctly) that its default config is pretty basic, and unlike current GUI tools its configurations are generaly done by editing files under the ~/.config directory.
I've been playing with Hyprland under Fedora (with a login-time choice between it and KDE Plasma) and installed some complementary launchers, status bars, etc.
To ease the use of Hyprland, a number of people have come forward with instal scripts that would install a list of complementary apps and then install a set of Hyprland config files that would bring these components together into a nice looking system, nearly but not quite a Linux desktop that could replace GNOME, KDE or Cinnamon.
And then I came across Omarchy.
Wow. It's not only a set of FOSS supporting apps and configuration scripts. It builds on top of Weyland and Hyprland to provide the first truly new desktop paradigm I've come across in ages. Far less mouse-dependent, makes heavy use of the "Super" key (which is either ⌘ or ⊞ depending on whether you're on a Mac or PC), very compete and very fast. Plus, its defaults can be easily changed in the config files but wow, what a reference point to start from.
I encourage readers here to at least have a look at it, described in loving detail by its creator in this YouTube video.
Problem is.... it only really works well under Arch as it's closely tied to the pacman package manager and other Arch-isms. No other distros are supported.
If Omarchy is the killer app that I think it is, I might just try it, which means leaving Fedora after less than a year.
So after all that preamble ... my question is here, for anyone who has ever run Arch: Outside of the software-release and installation systems, is there anything significant that I would need to consider if switching? Going from Ubuntu to Fedora was utterly painless, I wonder if Fedora to Arch would be too...
Any experiences with Arch, Hyprland or Omarchy are greatly appreciated.
Tiling window managers have existed for a couple decades. (I said "window managers," because the "tiling" paradigm long predates Wayland. And plural, because there were many of them by the time the Wayland project started in 2008.) They have tended to be very stripped down, as most of the people who use them are trying to lose the distractions of window decorations and window management - let the WM or compositor handle that. Likewise, why clutter things up with taskbars and stuff? But others have seen this and thought they wanted that simplicity ... but with extra features like launchers and multiple desktops and a good file manager etc. etc. This is both the wonder and the torture of Linux: "do one thing and do it well," which means that you can get the best of every category of software ... and you have to learn every single piece of your perfect desktop separately. Tiling compositors also mean you have to learn keyboard controls, and that's not a paradigm that appeals to most people. Even though keyboard controls are almost always faster - but only if you can remember them. I'm happy you've discovered something exciting about Linux, but being a documenter of WMs and compositors, I'm too literal-minded to let that word "new" slide by. :-) -- Giles https://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr@gmail.com
Giles Orr via Talk said on Fri, 26 Sep 2025 12:10:33 -0400
Tiling window managers have existed for a couple decades. (I said "window managers," because the "tiling" paradigm long predates Wayland.
Very true. And notice that the very same Dedicated Followers of Fashion salivating over the new tiling compositors wouldn't have been caught dead with X11 window managers awesome, dwm, ratpoison, or i3, because the tiling window manager concept was !!!OLD!!!. I mean really, really old: I was using a tiling window manager in 1987 on a VAX workstation.
And plural, because there were many of them by the time the Wayland project started in 2008.) They have tended to be very stripped down, as most of the people who use them are trying to lose the distractions of window decorations and window management - let the WM or compositor handle that. Likewise, why clutter things up with taskbars and stuff? But others have seen this and thought they wanted that simplicity ... but with extra features like launchers and multiple desktops and a good file manager etc. etc. This is both the wonder and the torture of Linux: "do one thing and do it well," which means that you can get the best of every category of software ... and you have to learn every single piece of your perfect desktop separately.
Tiling compositors also mean you have to learn keyboard controls, and that's not a paradigm that appeals to most people.
The Niri tiling compositor brings up a keystroke cheat sheet every time you open a new terminal emulator. This goes a long way toward eliminating the objection of having to memorize keystrokes.
Even though keyboard controls are almost always faster - but only if you can remember them.
The trick is to be prompted in your keyboard usage, until it becomes part of your muscle memory.
I'm happy you've discovered something exciting about Linux, but being a documenter of WMs and compositors, I'm too literal-minded to let that word "new" slide by. :-)
LOL, exactly! <my-opinion> Here's my opinion on the sudden repopularity of tiling user interfaces with Wayland compositors: It's relatively easy to make a window manager (WM) for X11. The WM tells X to establish an X style window (XSW). An XSW includes only the window content, not the decorations. X back-reports every XSW event to the window manager, which then handles WM type things like changing the titlebar color and font. Thankfully, X11 does most of the pixel arithmetic, so there's a separation of concerns, so creation of a new window manager is doable by one smart person. Wayland is a specification, not a piece of software like X11. So to create a compositor, you need to include most of the functionalities formerly handled by X11, plus the functionalities of a normal window manager. But wait, there's more: You have to be familiar with the entire Wayland *specification* to create a compositor. So, with all this work to do, is it any wonder that most of the compositors created by non-huge entities follow the simpler tiling layout? It's not that tiling suddenly became great: It's that overlapping was just too difficult to achieve for smaller project in the Wayland ecosystem. Wayland was a suboptimal solution to a very real problem. First of all, X11 itself should never have been a server. For those who simply must ssh into a GUI, there should have been a small, thin interface that made X available through a server. If X hadn't been a server, it would have eliminated most of the security concerns, and could have been run by a normal user, etc. Second, X11 has acquired way to much stuff, from what I hear. Like KDE and systemd, it has become an entangled mess in a black box. A lot of user requests should have been rejected. I think Wayland could have some potential moving forward. Somebody someday will create a Wayland-compliant module that performs the base functionalities performed by X11. I don't mean plug in compatible with X11, and I don't mean XWayland, I just mean encapsulating the part of current compositors that doesn't, or shouldn't, change from compositor to compositor. It should have a nice, simple, thin, non-dbus interface to the part of the compositor affecting user interface and user interaction. Somebody will also write a module to handle software interactions, so something like Tk, and as simple as Tk, can be used in software written for Wayland. Given that the module encapsulating the former functionalities of X11 would probably have most of the same functionionalities as X11 (nice sentence so far, huh?), it's possible Tk can still be used with only a minimum of changes. Here's the problem. These nice, neat, thin-interfaced modules that would have made life so much easier will almost certainly get hijacked by FreeDesktop.Org and its corporate buddies, and turned into hypercomplexificated dbus-laden monstrosities, perhaps even dependent on having a certain init system (guess which one). I'm hoping for a miracle. </my-opinion> SteveT Steve Litt http://444domains.com
On Fri, Sep 26, 2025 at 2:35 PM Steve Litt via Talk <talk@lists.gtalug.org> wrote:
Giles Orr via Talk said on Fri, 26 Sep 2025 12:10:33 -0400
Tiling window managers have existed for a couple decades. (I said "window managers," because the "tiling" paradigm long predates Wayland.
Wayland is a specification, not a piece of software like X11. So to create a compositor, you need to include most of the functionalities formerly handled by X11, plus the functionalities of a normal window manager. But wait, there's more: You have to be familiar with the entire Wayland *specification* to create a compositor. So, with all this work to do, is it any wonder that most of the compositors created by non-huge entities follow the simpler tiling layout? It's not that tiling suddenly became great: It's that overlapping was just too difficult to achieve for smaller project in the Wayland ecosystem.
Wayland was a suboptimal solution to a very real problem. First of all, X11 itself should never have been a server. For those who simply must ssh into a GUI, there should have been a small, thin interface that made X available through a server. If X hadn't been a server, it would have eliminated most of the security concerns, and could have been run by a normal user, etc.
Second, X11 has acquired way to much stuff, from what I hear. Like KDE and systemd, it has become an entangled mess in a black box. A lot of user requests should have been rejected.
I think Wayland could have some potential moving forward. Somebody someday will create a Wayland-compliant module that performs the base functionalities performed by X11. I don't mean plug in compatible with X11, and I don't mean XWayland, I just mean encapsulating the part of current compositors that doesn't, or shouldn't, change from compositor to compositor. It should have a nice, simple, thin, non-dbus interface to the part of the compositor affecting user interface and user interaction.
Somebody will also write a module to handle software interactions, so something like Tk, and as simple as Tk, can be used in software written for Wayland. Given that the module encapsulating the former functionalities of X11 would probably have most of the same functionionalities as X11 (nice sentence so far, huh?), it's possible Tk can still be used with only a minimum of changes.
Here's the problem. These nice, neat, thin-interfaced modules that would have made life so much easier will almost certainly get hijacked by FreeDesktop.Org and its corporate buddies, and turned into hypercomplexificated dbus-laden monstrosities, perhaps even dependent on having a certain init system (guess which one).
Well - - - in my searches I have not found that wayland is able to use serious multi-monitor setups. So until it does - - - wayland is a neat looking puppy that I'm really not interested in. (Have been running X mutli-monitor for about 15 years now.) Regards
o1bigtenor said on Fri, 26 Sep 2025 20:26:46 -0500
On Fri, Sep 26, 2025 at 2:35 PM Steve Litt via Talk <talk@lists.gtalug.org> wrote:
Giles Orr via Talk said on Fri, 26 Sep 2025 12:10:33 -0400
Tiling window managers have existed for a couple decades. (I said "window managers," because the "tiling" paradigm long predates Wayland.
Wayland is a specification, not a piece of software like X11. So to create a compositor, you need to include most of the functionalities formerly handled by X11, plus the functionalities of a normal window manager. But wait, there's more: You have to be familiar with the entire Wayland *specification* to create a compositor. So, with all this work to do, is it any wonder that most of the compositors created by non-huge entities follow the simpler tiling layout? It's not that tiling suddenly became great: It's that overlapping was just too difficult to achieve for smaller project in the Wayland ecosystem.
Wayland was a suboptimal solution to a very real problem. First of all, X11 itself should never have been a server. For those who simply must ssh into a GUI, there should have been a small, thin interface that made X available through a server. If X hadn't been a server, it would have eliminated most of the security concerns, and could have been run by a normal user, etc.
Second, X11 has acquired way to much stuff, from what I hear. Like KDE and systemd, it has become an entangled mess in a black box. A lot of user requests should have been rejected.
I think Wayland could have some potential moving forward. Somebody someday will create a Wayland-compliant module that performs the base functionalities performed by X11. I don't mean plug in compatible with X11, and I don't mean XWayland, I just mean encapsulating the part of current compositors that doesn't, or shouldn't, change from compositor to compositor. It should have a nice, simple, thin, non-dbus interface to the part of the compositor affecting user interface and user interaction.
Somebody will also write a module to handle software interactions, so something like Tk, and as simple as Tk, can be used in software written for Wayland. Given that the module encapsulating the former functionalities of X11 would probably have most of the same functionionalities as X11 (nice sentence so far, huh?), it's possible Tk can still be used with only a minimum of changes.
Here's the problem. These nice, neat, thin-interfaced modules that would have made life so much easier will almost certainly get hijacked by FreeDesktop.Org and its corporate buddies, and turned into hypercomplexificated dbus-laden monstrosities, perhaps even dependent on having a certain init system (guess which one).
Well - - - in my searches I have not found that wayland is able to use serious multi-monitor setups. So until it does - - - wayland is a neat looking puppy that I'm really not interested in.
(Have been running X mutli-monitor for about 15 years now.)
The average Windows user can do multi-monitor with ease. When Windows can do something Linux can't, instead of the other way around, it's a very bad sign. Bad FreeDesktop! By the way, I too use X11 and won't switch until Wayland is a lot more ready for prime time. SteveT Steve Litt http://444domains.com
On Fri, Sep 26, 2025 at 9:35 PM Steve Litt via Talk <talk@lists.gtalug.org> wrote:
o1bigtenor said on Fri, 26 Sep 2025 20:26:46 -0500
Well - - - in my searches I have not found that wayland is able to use serious multi-monitor setups. So until it does - - - wayland is a neat looking puppy that I'm really not interested in.
A reminder might be worthwhile that, unlike X11, Weyland is not a piece of software. It's a protocol. So to be precise it would be worth pointing out which Weyland-supporting software didn't work.
(Have been running X mutli-monitor for about 15 years now.)
The average Windows user can do multi-monitor with ease. When Windows can do something Linux can't, instead of the other way around, it's a very bad sign. Bad FreeDesktop!
That might be true, if that was indeed the case. But I haven't had any problems using my dual 4K vertically-aligned displays using Weyland under either KWin(KDE) or Hyprland. In both cases the config was pretty simple. It was GUI-based in the KDE settings under Display Configuration. For the other I have these super-complex three lines in ~/.config/hypr/hyperland.config: monitor = DP-1, preferred, auto, auto monitor = HDMI-A-1, preferred, auto-up, auto monitor=,preferred,auto,auto (The monitor connected by HDMI is mounted vertically above the one connected by Displayport.) So far the setups have been rock solid on both monitors. And I am aware of tools that offer a Hyprland graphic front end to modify the text config files. IOW ... There are a number of reasons that Omarchy won't be my daily driver but lack of multi-monitor support isn't one of them. By the way, I too use X11 and won't switch until Wayland is a lot more ready
for prime time.
Not sure what your defining moment will be. Right now the only app that is causing problems under Weyland is Discord on Hyprland. Discord works fine under Weyland KDE (using XWeyland). I've had no problems with Steam games and OBS. It's been prime time for me since I switched to Fedora KDE, If there's a specific app you'd like me to test, let me know. - Evan
On Sat, Sep 27, 2025 at 3:59 PM Evan Leibovitch via Talk <talk@lists.gtalug.org> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 26, 2025 at 9:35 PM Steve Litt via Talk <talk@lists.gtalug.org> wrote:
o1bigtenor said on Fri, 26 Sep 2025 20:26:46 -0500
Well - - - in my searches I have not found that wayland is able to use serious multi-monitor setups. So until it does - - - wayland is a neat looking puppy that I'm really not interested in.
A reminder might be worthwhile that, unlike X11, Weyland is not a piece of software. It's a protocol. So to be precise it would be worth pointing out which Weyland-supporting software didn't work.
I did say searches right - - - I can find no mention anywhere about multi-monitor and Wayland. To me that means - - - - don't try this it is NOT documented. If you have some documentation, or know of some - - - please advise.
(Have been running X mutli-monitor for about 15 years now.)
The average Windows user can do multi-monitor with ease. When Windows can do something Linux can't, instead of the other way around, it's a very bad sign. Bad FreeDesktop!
That might be true, if that was indeed the case. But I haven't had any problems using my dual 4K vertically-aligned displays using Weyland under either KWin(KDE) or Hyprland. In both cases the config was pretty simple. It was GUI-based in the KDE settings under Display Configuration. For the other I have these super-complex three lines in ~/.config/hypr/hyperland.config:
Dual has been considered sorta normal for about 7 or 8 years. I bought 4 - - 1920x1080 monitors in early 2011. Added a 4k monitor in I think it was 2023. (I may only have the same screen area as 2 4k monitors but I do have 5 different separate monitors. My definition of multi-monitor is greater than 3 and I've read of setups using 8.) If money were no object I have contemplated setting up 3 - 4k monitors. When nouveau became dual monitor friendly (I started on nvidia gpus (3) and moved to a single Radeon w 5 ports). Doubt that even a triple monitor would be easy to setup but I haven't tried and don't have the $$$$ to try.
IOW ... There are a number of reasons that Omarchy won't be my daily driver but lack of multi-monitor support isn't one of them.
By the way, I too use X11 and won't switch until Wayland is a lot more ready for prime time.
Not sure what your defining moment will be. Right now the only app that is causing problems under Weyland is Discord on Hyprland. Discord works fine under Weyland KDE (using XWeyland). I've had no problems with Steam games and OBS. It's been prime time for me since I switched to Fedora KDE, If there's a specific app you'd like me to test, let me know.
I have issues with things like browsers and that's enough to scare me aware from trying anything using wayland. Regards
From: o1bigtenor via Talk <talk@lists.gtalug.org>
Well - - - in my searches I have not found that wayland is able to use serious multi-monitor setups. So until it does - - - wayland is a neat looking puppy that I'm really not interested in.
(Have been running X mutli-monitor for about 15 years now.)
Remind me: what is your serious multi-monitor setup? I'm sure that you've told us before. You were talking about this on the list in 2021 June 8 but details were missing. - 4 or 5 monitors - nvidia cards with Nouveau (how many? What kinds?) Two monitor setups work for me the few times that I've tried rhwm under Fedora/GNOME/Wayland. I don't have discrete graphics cards.
On Sat, Sep 27, 2025 at 4:52 PM D. Hugh Redelmeier via Talk <talk@lists.gtalug.org> wrote:
From: o1bigtenor via Talk <talk@lists.gtalug.org>
Well - - - in my searches I have not found that wayland is able to use serious multi-monitor setups. So until it does - - - wayland is a neat looking puppy that I'm really not interested in.
(Have been running X mutli-monitor for about 15 years now.)
Remind me: what is your serious multi-monitor setup? I'm sure that you've told us before. You were talking about this on the list in 2021 June 8 but details were missing. - 4 or 5 monitors - nvidia cards with Nouveau (how many? What kinds?)
Then 4 - 1920x1080 monitors, now those + a 4k monitor. Then 2 nvidia cards, now a single radeon w 5 ports (only version that has done so.
Two monitor setups work for me the few times that I've tried rhwm under Fedora/GNOME/Wayland. I don't have discrete graphics cards.g.org/message/HCSV4CI3ZBHU7NVOKSZK2BEQ5END7B6O/
Even dual was 'interesting' for quite a few years (2 monitors on one card). Regards
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