Re: [GTALUG] Linus Torvalds Responds to Linux Banning University of Minnesota
On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 6:01 AM ac via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
It is EVIL to represent yourself as something you are not.
Agreed and once again these are just 'my' layman thoughts on this. Misrepresentation I feel and think is forgivable ? We have all done it at some point on our lives ? Me without knowing I was actually doing so and was rather abruptly and suddenly made to realise this. I apologized, they accepted. No harm done, we moved on - together! But pre-meditated and strategically planned careful introduction of vulnerabilities into the kernel is most definitely not. So like I said before we find them and we shoot them. The community are justifiably pissed-off me being one.
I am sure there are many who would like to see the operating system which drives the Internet, FAIL on a desperate and massive scale.
There will always be such people. We need to work in unity and solidarity. And that work is based on trust. And when this trust is literally shot to hell well... we shoot them again ?
It is EVIL to knowingly sabotage open source in this manner.
Agreed 110% again.
I hope and wish that ALL Opens Source Programmers BAN University of Minnesota for LIFE.
Umm.. that is extreme ? Two people did this ? These two people do not make up the University ? And there have been earlier patches made in good faith that so far seem legit and vulnerability free ? Again if an academic institute is able to submit 'useful' patches that 'fix' real problems that should be welcome ? But then I understand no one will ever trust anything coming from Minnesiota ever again.
I am sure that there are many Nation States or LARGE corporations that has, in the past, infiltrated many open source projects in this same fashion and I am sure that they are all EVIL for the damage and destruction they cause to human freedom on a planetary scale.
Deception, power, control and narcissistic. Hire these types of people?
Hell No!
Listen, do you remeber one of Linus's most famous quotes ? He said and I quote: "See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too." So all I am saying is these two 'gentlemen' who introduced the vulnerabilities that can be exploited at a later time knew what they were doing so we can learn from them, document everything, analyse and ensure this does not have a wash-rinse-repeat pattern ? And we can always shoot them again after we find what we need to know ? Forgive me I did some digging and the reason was I really wanted to know 'where' this 'passion' was coming from. And what I find says you're from South Africa and the email came through Germany ? Hell GTALUG has people all over the planet ? Yikes..
They, and their institution, are now known worldwide for being ethically challenged.
You and me both want them dead but calmer minds ( like GregKH ) will prevail :-) In solidarity - Aruna
On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 11:55:00 -0400 Aruna Hewapathirane via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Hello Everybody,
I am still trying to understand the reason 'why' would anyone even want to do this ?
Here is some context:
https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/ill-advised-research-on-linux-kernel-land...
And follow up from Linus himself:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/linus-torvalds-responds-to-linux-banning-u...
I am also thinking if these two guys actually managed to do this they should be part of the community responsible for linux security ? Or we just hang them high and pour honey all over them and set loose bees and wasps on them ?
I am torn two ways. My heart says shoot them. My brain says hire them ? Sigh...
Just thought everyone would want to know so sharing :-)
Aruna
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 13:40:46 -0400 Aruna Hewapathirane <aruna.hewapathirane@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 6:01 AM ac via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote: <snip agreeable stuff here>
I hope and wish that ALL Opens Source Programmers BAN University of Minnesota for LIFE. Umm.. that is extreme ? Two people did this ? These two people do not make up the University ?
Indeed. Uni research has to be "approved" by the Uni...- It is a bit like Microsoft, Google, Amazon and FB etc are, as corporate culture, actual actions and deeds, etc. proves what a group or org, really and truly is/are.
Deception, power, control and narcissistic. Hire these types of people? Hell No!
Listen, do you remeber one of Linus's most famous quotes ? He said and I quote: "See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too."
hmm, indeed. but you do need to read that in context as it was never meant to be the equivalent of: "Insert yourself into Microsoft and add security flaws to their software" What the Uni did, imho, is either criminal or close to it. The line was crossed between what general society views as a crime, anywhere on the planet.
Forgive me I did some digging and the reason was I really wanted to know 'where' this 'passion' was coming from. And what I find says you're from South Africa and the email came through Germany ? Hell GTALUG has people all over the planet ? Yikes..
I have family in Toronto and used (pre covid) to be there, sometimes 3 months at a time... Same as in the US, I have a lot of family there and am frequently there also for many months at a time. Currently, and during covid I am in South Africa. The region where I am physically: The climate is one of the most temparate on the planet, year through and with great infrastructure (with 24/7 green energy and fresh very clean water from the ocean) - I have been everywhere on the planet, as in really everywhere and I have experienced many seasons and many climates. What I know is that Hawaii is really fantastic (but I have no family there) - so until covid is done, I chose the 2nd best place place :) Anyway, I do belong to five different Linux communities as I regard these as my "family" also :)
They, and their institution, are now known worldwide for being ethically challenged. You and me both want them dead but calmer minds ( like GregKH ) will prevail :-)
no, not dead. but simply put: an example must be made and it needs to be seen to be done, in the interests of open source everywhere
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