-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've done pretty much what Blaise has done. Calendar was the last Google service I got rid of, since Google does CALSCH (Calendaring and Scheduling) really well, and follows iCalendar standards (or used to; now Lightning requires a "Google Calendar Provider" plugin to make Google work as a calendar repository). I was already using Thunderbird and Lightning as my desktop calendar tools, so I installed ownCloud to provide a calendar repository to replace Google. Works great! I think the ownCloud calendar web interface is awful, though. But then I found that ownCloud was useful for file sync between desktops too, so bonus! Haven't had much success with CalDAV clients on my Android phone (which is Google-free; FDroid only). But that may be because I'm still using Cyanogenmod 7.2, the equivalent of Gingerbread (Android 2.3.7). Sadly, there's nothing more recent available for my phone (LG P999) because of the proprietary AWS radio which I need for Wind Mobile. And kudos to Hugh for fighting the good privacy fight! - --Bob. On 13/08/15 08:31 AM, Blaise Alleyne wrote:

On 13/08/15 07:54 AM, Giles Orr wrote:

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On 13 August 2015 at 02:00, William Park <opengeometry@yahoo.ca> wrote:

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KOrganizer is a calendar program in KDE. And, it's the only thing that's tying me to KDE desktop.

What calendar program do you guys use in other desktops? I know of and test drove - Evolution (GNOME) - Orage (XFCE) But, they can't pull me off KDE, yet.

I use Google Calendar, which is brilliant AND co-ordinates with my phone. It also gives my entire life schedule to Google, totally compromising my privacy. I suspect you're being more reasonable and avoiding this route: more power to you. Sadly, all calendars in my life are now measured by the great - but privacy destroying - Google Calendar, and all others have failed. <sigh>

I wrote about my experience degooglifying my calendar a few years ago: http://blaise.ca/blog/2013/05/18/degooglifying-part-iv-calendar/

tldr: it's totally possible to use a CalDAV server like ownCloud, and sync with Android using Davdroid, and use other CalDAV clients on the desktop like Lightning.

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On 13 August 2015 at 08:32, D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh@mimosa.com> wrote:

| From: Giles Orr <gilesorr@gmail.com>

| I use Google Calendar, which is brilliant AND co-ordinates with my | phone. It also gives my entire life schedule to Google, totally | compromising my privacy. I suspect you're being more reasonable and | avoiding this route: more power to you. Sadly, all calendars in my | life are now measured by the great - but privacy destroying - Google | Calendar, and all others have failed. <sigh>

"You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it." Scott McNealy 1999

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson 1993

I dispair of privacy but am fighting a rear-guard action. iOS and Android leak stuff like crazy, but what's the mobile alternative?

Now desktops are copying this. And not just browsers. Windows 10 appears as bad as Android and iOS. Simple example: Microsoft gets information about all the programs you run and that cannot be turned off (it could be firewalled surely). Your OS as an Advanced Persistent Threat.

Many, but not all, of these leaks come with advantages to the user. For example, Cortana, Siri, and Google Now(?) may be fun but they are always listening to you and sending something home. Google (and other) search have to send the queries upstream.

If I remember correctly, on a recent update, I had to give Google Slides general permission to use the microphone. Huh?

Our legal system doesn't provide tools and norms to limit the damage. We need mandated and enforce limitations on information flows within organizations as well as between organizations. This is going to be hard since Big Data is such a thing. And specifict consent should be required.

I really don't like it that our desktops are becoming treacherous devices, following our smartphones.

Ubuntu phone, now available outside Europe: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/11/ubuntu_phone_global_sales/ Note that while you can buy it, connectivity in the U.S. (which probably means Canada too) may be spotty. The larger 5" model is 200 euros, which currently translates to $290 Canadian - although that doesn't include tax or shipping. I'll be watching this closely: I have an intense aversion to Android and Google's snooping habits, and the idea of a Linux phone is very appealing. I'm not good at reading the standards and I don't care much about data plans (in fact I don't use them on my phone, only voice and Wifi). How well would this behave in Canada? -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr@gmail.com

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Giles Orr <gilesorr@gmail.com> wrote:

On 13 August 2015 at 02:00, William Park <opengeometry@yahoo.ca> wrote:

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KOrganizer is a calendar program in KDE. And, it's the only thing that's tying me to KDE desktop.

What calendar program do you guys use in other desktops? I know of and test drove - Evolution (GNOME) - Orage (XFCE) But, they can't pull me off KDE, yet.

I use Google Calendar, which is brilliant AND co-ordinates with my phone. It also gives my entire life schedule to Google, totally compromising my privacy. I suspect you're being more reasonable and avoiding this route: more power to you. Sadly, all calendars in my life are now measured by the great - but privacy destroying - Google Calendar, and all others have failed. <sigh>

I am presently using a little program called osmo which doesn't work that well.

My problem is that I am planning ahead in about 2 year blocks where there are a lot of things that I am tracking and noting most of which are related (and inter-related). I wish there were an option besides Google calendar too - - - maybe its time that someone wrote one! (Wish that could be me but I have never done any programming yet!) Dee