Re: [GTALUG] programming system questions
This is a chance for me to test my understanding by trying to explain it myself. Monte Carlo is where you randomly choose solutions from a solution space and then try to make the results better for each choice. Imagine you are trying to find the highest point on earth. Rather than scan the entire earth to find the highest point, you choose a sample of points and then see if there is something higher near-by. This is _in general_ more efficient than scanning the whole earth, but of course there is a change that you miss Everest. Consider the alternative approach of choosing a point and then looking for higher points nearby ( aka Gradient Descent). Suppose you started somewhere in Britain... you might scan the local area and come to the conclusion that snowdon is the highest place in the world. Now image that you do this 100 time, and then compare the local bests of those 100 attempts. You are more likely to find the highest point. That's monte carlo I think. Anyway, I'm not sure this has anything to do with what the OP is talking about. If I understand he/she wants to recreate an app. Does that mean reverse engineer? Are you trying to recreate someone else's app without direct access to that app? Are you trying to examine interactions with the app and predict what the app will do, and hence "simulate" the app? You might also consider creating a _smart_ proxy, that lets you cache results locally such that if you ask for the same thing a second time it's comes back faster. Additionally by implementing a proxy , you can populate your own copy of what ever data the original service is providing and study that for the purposes of reverse engineering. This sounds like a great conversation to have over a $drink, and/or in front of a white board. David On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 9:19 AM ac via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 07:53:18 -0500 o1bigtenor via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Greetings
Hello :)
I have been using a web application for one of my business functions. Besides the limitation of it being a web application (the web is NOT as consistent nor as quick as is considered 'normal' for those that like in rural areas) there are to many areas where I need to tweak the results. Therefore I would like to re-create this application.
on the web?
At its base its somewhat like a recipe system. I plan on using postgresql for data holding and now what might be a good way of now doing the work.
i love postgresql :)
Think that an item has from 5 to 50 of 50 information fields. I am adding a number of items together and specifying quantities of each item trying to achieve levels that I previously specified. The present application uses css and javascript and some other things that are on the 'home' (program owner's) server. Hopefully this description is clear enough and gives enough information so that suggestions might be forthcoming. (I asked an engineer friend and his suggestion was to use a monte carlo type of system but that would be several levels more complex that I think might be necessary for this application.)
i refuse to google "monte carlo type system" on duckduckgo.com... please put me out of my misery and tell me what a monte carlo type system is? ( I do love Monte Carlo also :) )
Andre
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On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 9:32 AM David Thornton via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
This is a chance for me to test my understanding by trying to explain it myself.
Monte Carlo is where you randomly choose solutions from a solution space and then try to make the results better for each choice.
Imagine you are trying to find the highest point on earth. Rather than scan the entire earth to find the highest point, you choose a sample of points and then see if there is something higher near-by.
This is _in general_ more efficient than scanning the whole earth, but of course there is a change that you miss Everest.
Consider the alternative approach of choosing a point and then looking for higher points nearby ( aka Gradient Descent). Suppose you started somewhere in Britain... you might scan the local area and come to the conclusion that snowdon is the highest place in the world.
Now image that you do this 100 time, and then compare the local bests of those 100 attempts. You are more likely to find the highest point. That's monte carlo I think.
Its a little different than that but you're headed in the right direction. The process was developed as the first atomic bomb was being developed in the USA (fascinating as a large number of those scientists were expat Germans (early 1940s to 1945).
Anyway, I'm not sure this has anything to do with what the OP is talking about.
If I understand he/she wants to recreate an app. Does that mean reverse engineer? Are you trying to recreate someone else's app without direct access to that app?
Are you trying to examine interactions with the app and predict what the app will do, and hence "simulate" the app?
You might also consider creating a _smart_ proxy, that lets you cache results locally such that if you ask for the same thing a second time it's comes back faster.
Additionally by implementing a proxy , you can populate your own copy of what ever data the original service is providing and study that for the purposes of reverse engineering.
This sounds like a great conversation to have over a $drink, and/or in front of a white board.
I like your last idea except I would have to travel about 2500 km and that produces its own 'fun'. Thank you for your ideas/assistance and if you know an easy way to communicate 'chat at remote' - - - well I'm listening. Dee
On Thu, Oct 11, 2018, 12:51 PM o1bigtenor via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 9:32 AM David Thornton via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
This is a chance for me to test my understanding by trying to explain it
myself.
Monte Carlo is where you randomly choose solutions from a solution space
and then try to make the results better for each choice.
Imagine you are trying to find the highest point on earth. Rather than
scan the entire earth to find the highest point, you choose a sample of points and then see if there is something higher near-by.
This is _in general_ more efficient than scanning the whole earth, but
of course there is a change that you miss Everest.
Consider the alternative approach of choosing a point and then looking
for higher points nearby ( aka Gradient Descent). Suppose you started somewhere in Britain... you might scan the local area and come to the conclusion that snowdon is the highest place in the world.
Now image that you do this 100 time, and then compare the local bests of
those 100 attempts. You are more likely to find the highest point. That's monte carlo I think.
Its a little different than that but you're headed in the right direction. The process was developed as the first atomic bomb was being developed in the USA (fascinating as a large number of those scientists were expat Germans (early 1940s to 1945).
Anyway, I'm not sure this has anything to do with what the OP is talking
about.
If I understand he/she wants to recreate an app. Does that mean reverse
engineer? Are you trying to recreate someone else's app without direct access to that app?
Are you trying to examine interactions with the app and predict what the
app will do, and hence "simulate" the app?
You might also consider creating a _smart_ proxy, that lets you cache
results locally such that if you ask for the same thing a second time it's comes back faster.
Additionally by implementing a proxy , you can populate your own copy of
what ever data the original service is providing and study that for the purposes of reverse engineering.
This sounds like a great conversation to have over a $drink, and/or in
front of a white board.
I like your last idea except I would have to travel about 2500 km and that produces its own 'fun'.
Thank you for your ideas/assistance and if you know an easy way to communicate 'chat at remote' - - - well I'm listening.
I just came across this. Tim Berners Lee has just introduced his new SOLID prototype for social media connections. You can register and check it out. Its kind of spartan and developer oriented at the moment but is backwards compatible while it looks to be forward thinking. https://solid.inrupt.com/get-a-solid-pod
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On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 3:06 AM Russell Reiter <rreiter91@gmail.com> wrote: snip
If I understand he/she wants to recreate an app. Does that mean reverse engineer? Are you trying to recreate someone else's app without direct access to that app?
Are you trying to examine interactions with the app and predict what the app will do, and hence "simulate" the app?
You might also consider creating a _smart_ proxy, that lets you cache results locally such that if you ask for the same thing a second time it's comes back faster.
Additionally by implementing a proxy , you can populate your own copy of what ever data the original service is providing and study that for the purposes of reverse engineering.
This sounds like a great conversation to have over a $drink, and/or in front of a white board.
I like your last idea except I would have to travel about 2500 km and that produces its own 'fun'.
Thank you for your ideas/assistance and if you know an easy way to communicate 'chat at remote' - - - well I'm listening.
I just came across this. Tim Berners Lee has just introduced his new SOLID prototype for social media connections. You can register and check it out. Its kind of spartan and developer oriented at the moment but is backwards compatible while it looks to be forward thinking.
This looks like it could become something interesting - - - if it is allowed to. My level of distrust re: web security and my privacy is high enough that I will be waiting for a while before I jump on the band wagon. Dee
I dunno the repo is pretty lean: https://github.com/solid/solid I like this : "re-decentralizing" David On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 7:07 AM o1bigtenor via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
If I understand he/she wants to recreate an app. Does that mean
reverse engineer? Are you trying to recreate someone else's app without
Are you trying to examine interactions with the app and predict what
You might also consider creating a _smart_ proxy, that lets you cache
results locally such that if you ask for the same thing a second time it's comes back faster.
Additionally by implementing a proxy , you can populate your own copy
of what ever data the original service is providing and study that for the
On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 3:06 AM Russell Reiter <rreiter91@gmail.com> wrote: snip direct access to that app? the app will do, and hence "simulate" the app? purposes of reverse engineering.
This sounds like a great conversation to have over a $drink, and/or
in front of a white board.
I like your last idea except I would have to travel about 2500 km and that produces its own 'fun'.
Thank you for your ideas/assistance and if you know an easy way to communicate 'chat at remote' - - - well I'm listening.
I just came across this. Tim Berners Lee has just introduced his new SOLID prototype for social media connections. You can register and check it out. Its kind of spartan and developer oriented at the moment but is backwards compatible while it looks to be forward thinking.
This looks like it could become something interesting - - - if it is allowed to. My level of distrust re: web security and my privacy is high enough that I will be waiting for a while before I jump on the band wagon.
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