40" 4k Philips Monitor for $699.95 at BestBuy, Jun. 8 and 9 only
Hello, I had bought a Wasabi Mango 42" monitor from a Korean vendor on eBay last May and when it broke down for the second time within the first 13 weeks, neither the vendor nor Wasabi Mango provided warranty support. Fortunately, I had bought a SquareTrade warranty and they came through and reimbursed me for the full purchase amount. Orchids for SquareTrade, onions for Wasabi Mango and gnestore on eBay, and onions for eBay's useless reputation system that prevents buyers from leaving reviews after 90 days from purchase. All that does is provide an incentive for the seller to be responsive within the first 90 days and not even pretend to care once the buyer can no longer leave a negative review. Just to give you an idea of how ill-equipped Wasabi Mango must be to provide after-sale support and how little they care about their reputation, I left a scathing review of their monitor on their Facebook page and they never responded and the last time I checked some months ago, it was still there for the whole world to see. I bought this same 40" 4k Philips monitor for $699.99 at a Black Friday sale last year at BestBuy and it has been working great(*). The Wasabi Mango was an LG IPS panel. This one is a VA panel. Theoretically, the IPS panel is supposed to be "better" but I really do not have any objections to the video quality on the Philips. I have not noticed any dead pixels and the brightness is uniform throughout. It has an easy-to-use joystick control and a hard power switch. I have an ASUS GT 960 Strix video card running the nVidia binary driver on Fedora 23 driving the monitor through a DisplayPort cable. (*) Once every few months, I have to update the binary driver (it's not automatically updated) when I lose X after a kernel update. Occasionally, I'll see a flickering of a window that is not in the foreground. If I move the mouse, the flickering will disappear, which has me suspect the video driver and not the monitor. It's not frequent enough to be anything more than a minor irritant. Neither of those things are particular to this monitor. With a panel this large, I have not found any need for font-scaling. There is no way I could read text on a 28" 4k monitor without font-scaling. It would be hard to beat the price/performance of this monitor and with the weaker Canadian dollar, monitor prices have been firm. You will not see this monitor at this price very often. In short, it's a great buy if you've been thinking of upgrading to a 4k monitor. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay + 1 647-778-8696
I got the same monitor. Only worry was the frequency oscillation feature to achieve dimming, but I don't notice it, but some claim they do. Back joystick is a bit of a pain as I do flip back and forth between inputs. When my system goes to sleep, and it wakes up and i turn the monitor on, it sometime does the sync flicker (even goes black) and repeats and generally looks screwy for about 10 seconds, but once its running, never had any issue. Is well worth the money! The monitor is sooooo bit, that you have to really move eyes, or even turn head a bit, so certainly I doubt i would ever want bigger, accept that in having this monitor, I can now REALLY see the attraction of a curved monitor. I would have no interest in upgrading to say a 44"+ 4k monitor unless it was very curved so you don't have a distance issue as you look to the left/right edges over the closeness of the middle. In fact the odd person may even find the 40" to big, and want it to be curved. Of course one issue is you have to buy a expensive video card to use it, unless you happen to already have a 9 series. -tl On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:30 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY <clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> wrote:
Hello, I had bought a Wasabi Mango 42" monitor from a Korean vendor on eBay last May and when it broke down for the second time within the first 13 weeks, neither the vendor nor Wasabi Mango provided warranty support. Fortunately, I had bought a SquareTrade warranty and they came through and reimbursed me for the full purchase amount. Orchids for SquareTrade, onions for Wasabi Mango and gnestore on eBay, and onions for eBay's useless reputation system that prevents buyers from leaving reviews after 90 days from purchase. All that does is provide an incentive for the seller to be responsive within the first 90 days and not even pretend to care once the buyer can no longer leave a negative review. Just to give you an idea of how ill-equipped Wasabi Mango must be to provide after-sale support and how little they care about their reputation, I left a scathing review of their monitor on their Facebook page and they never responded and the last time I checked some months ago, it was still there for the whole world to see.
I bought this same 40" 4k Philips monitor for $699.99 at a Black Friday sale last year at BestBuy and it has been working great(*). The Wasabi Mango was an LG IPS panel. This one is a VA panel. Theoretically, the IPS panel is supposed to be "better" but I really do not have any objections to the video quality on the Philips. I have not noticed any dead pixels and the brightness is uniform throughout. It has an easy-to-use joystick control and a hard power switch. I have an ASUS GT 960 Strix video card running the nVidia binary driver on Fedora 23 driving the monitor through a DisplayPort cable.
(*) Once every few months, I have to update the binary driver (it's not automatically updated) when I lose X after a kernel update. Occasionally, I'll see a flickering of a window that is not in the foreground. If I move the mouse, the flickering will disappear, which has me suspect the video driver and not the monitor. It's not frequent enough to be anything more than a minor irritant. Neither of those things are particular to this monitor.
With a panel this large, I have not found any need for font-scaling. There is no way I could read text on a 28" 4k monitor without font-scaling. It would be hard to beat the price/performance of this monitor and with the weaker Canadian dollar, monitor prices have been firm. You will not see this monitor at this price very often.
In short, it's a great buy if you've been thinking of upgrading to a 4k monitor.
-- Regards,
Clifford Ilkay + 1 647-778-8696
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On 08/06/16 02:45 PM, ted leslie wrote:
I got the same monitor. Only worry was the frequency oscillation feature to achieve dimming, but I don't notice it, but some claim they do.
I use the "SmartImage" feature to switch between modes every day. My monitor is in a room with plenty of natural light, too much sometimes, so I'll use it in the "SmartUniformity" mode during daylight hours and switch to "Economy" when it is dark outside. I do not notice any change in video quality when it is darker and I am usually pretty sensitive to flickering.
Back joystick is a bit of a pain as I do flip back and forth between inputs. When my system goes to sleep, and it wakes up and i turn the monitor on, it sometime does the sync flicker (even goes black) and repeats and generally looks screwy for about 10 seconds, but once its running, never had any issue.
I have seen the same behaviour with one difference. Infrequently, it will not sync on power on or wake up so I'll Ctrl-Alt-F4 to switch to a console, which will cause it to sync, and Ctrl-Alt-F1 back to X where it will sync without problems. I do not know if that is a monitor or video driver issue and again, it's so infrequent and the workaround so easy that it's a minor irritant, at best.
Is well worth the money! The monitor is sooooo bit, that you have to really move eyes, or even turn head a bit, so certainly I doubt i would ever want bigger, accept that in having this monitor, I can now REALLY see the attraction of a curved monitor.
I have had to fine-tune the distance of the monitor to find the sweet spot between having to move around to see the edges and being able to focus with my reading glasses. More fine-tuning with the prescription of reading glasses may help.
I would have no interest in upgrading to say a 44"+ 4k monitor unless it was very curved so you don't have a distance issue as you look to the left/right edges over the closeness of the middle. In fact the odd person may even find the 40" to big, and want it to be curved. Of course one issue is you have to buy a expensive video card to use it, unless you happen to already have a 9 series.
I paid $240 for my video card. Over the life of this system and for the productivity gains I got from going to 4k, it's well worth the price. I expect prices will drop on the lower end cards that can do 4k because a newer generation of cards, like the 1000 series, are coming on the market now. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay + 1 647-778-8696
Productivity gains!!! the best productivity gain in IT (assume you type a lot) is the datahand keyboard, can be found for 4-5k$ now, i have two. But there is a open source project that has been trying for years to copy the original. Nothing like 90wpm and being able to type till your 95 without CT, or RSI. It one of the few hw investments that over its life time could repay 100K+$'s in productivity. Just cringe that if they break i would be out 10k+$ to replace with good used ones :( but yeah 40"4k monitor and a data hand is productivity supreme. -tl On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:12 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY <clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> wrote:
On 08/06/16 02:45 PM, ted leslie wrote:
I got the same monitor. Only worry was the frequency oscillation feature to achieve dimming, but I don't notice it, but some claim they do.
I use the "SmartImage" feature to switch between modes every day. My monitor is in a room with plenty of natural light, too much sometimes, so I'll use it in the "SmartUniformity" mode during daylight hours and switch to "Economy" when it is dark outside. I do not notice any change in video quality when it is darker and I am usually pretty sensitive to flickering.
Back joystick is a bit of a pain as I do flip back and forth between inputs. When my system goes to sleep, and it wakes up and i turn the monitor on, it sometime does the sync flicker (even goes black) and repeats and generally looks screwy for about 10 seconds, but once its running, never had any issue.
I have seen the same behaviour with one difference. Infrequently, it will not sync on power on or wake up so I'll Ctrl-Alt-F4 to switch to a console, which will cause it to sync, and Ctrl-Alt-F1 back to X where it will sync without problems. I do not know if that is a monitor or video driver issue and again, it's so infrequent and the workaround so easy that it's a minor irritant, at best.
Is well worth the money! The monitor is sooooo bit, that you have to really move eyes, or even turn head a bit, so certainly I doubt i would ever want bigger, accept that in having this monitor, I can now REALLY see the attraction of a curved monitor.
I have had to fine-tune the distance of the monitor to find the sweet spot between having to move around to see the edges and being able to focus with my reading glasses. More fine-tuning with the prescription of reading glasses may help.
I would have no interest in upgrading to say a 44"+ 4k monitor unless it was very curved so you don't have a distance issue as you look to the left/right edges over the closeness of the middle. In fact the odd person may even find the 40" to big, and want it to be curved. Of course one issue is you have to buy a expensive video card to use it, unless you happen to already have a 9 series.
I paid $240 for my video card. Over the life of this system and for the productivity gains I got from going to 4k, it's well worth the price. I expect prices will drop on the lower end cards that can do 4k because a newer generation of cards, like the 1000 series, are coming on the market now.
-- Regards,
Clifford Ilkay + 1 647-778-8696
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On 2016-06-08 03:39 PM, ted leslie wrote:
… the datahand keyboard, can be found for 4-5k$ now
eep! I thought that Maltrons were expensive, but these are an order of magnitude more so. The Datahand keyboards look like the result of leaving a Maltron and a Microwriter* together unchaperoned for too long. cheers, Stewart *: a very early portable word processor that used a 6-button chording keyboard: http://www.openculture.com/2014/01/discover-cy-endfields-microwriter-the-wor...
On 16-06-08 03:39 PM, ted leslie wrote:
Productivity gains!!! the best productivity gain in IT (assume you type a lot) is the datahand keyboard, can be found for 4-5k$ now,
I had not heard of these before now. I looked up some information on them. Interesting gadgets. I wonder how many they sold at that price. I suppose someone who types an awful lot every day may find them better to use than a conventional keyboard.
But there is a open source project that has been trying for years to copy the original.
Do you have a URL for information on the project that is trying to reproduce the original? -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
I bought one of last ever made 6 years ago. I spent about 4k$ on my two (do to US/CND exchange). The used price now (as insane demand, low supply), is insane. I think last one i saw in good condition (a Pro-II usb) [early were ps2 connectors], was 4kUS, so +5k$ CND now. On the plus side, my 4k$ "investment" in my keyboards, has netted me 6k$ profit :) but I can never see selling them, if anything having to buy if one ever break. Its on a open source free hw site, will have to dig but if you google open datahand or similar probably be top return. Below is a good forum page https://geekhack.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=aamn1cvhd9rgjh7q2t627u57oi0rkeca&topic=41422.0 The Datahand isn't only amazing for minimal stress on hand, wrists, and fingers, but it also uses only magnets and IR emitters/sensors, (no springs or mechanical switches) so I hear stories of 20+ years with ease, and probably no reason for not 50-100 year life spans. I have had 6-7 years, and one is like new still with daily use. (the other has a bit of a glitch, that i have to attend to, but stays as my backup). They do require a good air blowing and cyber-clean putty cleaning about once a year. The big benefit of the DH and the reason I got it is that there is nothing worst for productivity then type, reach for mouse, type (repeat 100K's times). The DH has the mouse built in to the "pods" of the pointer fingers of both hands, so you can type, and mouse with no "going for a mouse". By a simple lift of the right thumb on a lever, the pointer fingers move the mouse, the right pointer has one velocity and acceleration in n/s/e/w, and the left another, when used together, you can do linear, and parabola pointer arcs with ease (when you get good at it). You can't do circles at all. but its truly amazing. The mouse parameters are tuned in the unit itself, and each finger can have tuneed velocity and acceleration. So it allows across a 40" 4K monitor in 1.5 seconds (my setting) with one tweaked more for fast velocity, yet just the left gives me about 2 pixel accuracy. (and you use together in any combo) It is so nice to not have to use any mouse, touchpad, trackball, etc. The mouse is always just there, "at your finger tips", no additional movement needed. I was actually looking a eye or head mouse at the time, but they were also very expensive, and jumpy, so the DH was my choice for optimal anti-mouse(pointer). But I think I will eventually get a head mouse to compliment the DH mouse, so I can do big jumps instantaneously, then use DH to fine tune in as target approaches. This works as screen real-estate gets bigger. But head/eye mice are still pretty expensive still. I do a lot of gui dev. so even thou i hot-key a lot (DH pro-II i have has full programming of multi-key sequences, and remap), I still have to mouse like crazy, and with DH, its just magical. The adjust ability is insane, each sides 4 "pods", each pod having 5 hits n/s/e/w/down can be lowered/raised, and moved N/S meaning you tweek it right, and you are moving fingers 3mm-4mm for any give key hit. And the palm rests area also adjustable. And the two "hand boxes" are adjustable as well in L/R rotation for exact arm/wrist angle approach. And the whole unit itself has a foam on bottom (egg shell), and it just sits nicely on your lap. [works well for me as I work in lazy boy 3/4 reclined to remove any possible back issues and poor posture.] Only regret i had, given you have to learn how to type for scratch with them, as they don't follow qwerty (sort of resemble it 70%), is i should have gotten a better layout, as after 90wpm you run into the problem you want to hit a few keys, and you can as you have fingers at the await, but the 2-3 hits are all from the same finger :( I can remap mine (i think) , but to have to learn again, and to get from say 90 to 110 WPM, doesn't seem worth it. But it was still nice to go from a 40-50wpm on conventional (with having to "look" for rare keys, etc, and taking my gaze off the monitor), to 90wpm and never looking for keys (i do however have to crap shoot for ^ and ~ and other rarities now and again :) The keys are not marked, there is no point or way to, there is a visual guide above, but you don't want to use it, so learning DH promotes and make mandatory pure memorization. But most of my typing now is muscle memory words, I rarely know what letters I type, just "type" words, which as far as I know, you don't type at 90wpm by letters (too slow), you are just collective finger motioning/timing on a per word muscle memory (or joining the common sub-word combos) I also suffered from MRI/CT type pains, and all went away with DH. I think IBM did a test and declared the DH the best keyboard every made. -tl On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Kevin Cozens <kevin@ve3syb.ca> wrote:
On 16-06-08 03:39 PM, ted leslie wrote:
Productivity gains!!! the best productivity gain in IT (assume you type a lot) is the datahand keyboard, can be found for 4-5k$ now,
I had not heard of these before now. I looked up some information on them. Interesting gadgets. I wonder how many they sold at that price. I suppose someone who types an awful lot every day may find them better to use than a conventional keyboard.
But there is a open source project that has been trying for years to
copy the original.
Do you have a URL for information on the project that is trying to reproduce the original?
-- Cheers!
Kevin.
http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Here's a wearable keyboard that allows one to type pretty much as fast as you could from a conventional keyboard but be standing, sitting or walking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTk-gaXgpKY /gary On 16-06-09 07:44 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote:
On 16-06-08 03:39 PM, ted leslie wrote:
Productivity gains!!! the best productivity gain in IT (assume you type a lot) is the datahand keyboard, can be found for 4-5k$ now,
I had not heard of these before now. I looked up some information on them. Interesting gadgets. I wonder how many they sold at that price. I suppose someone who types an awful lot every day may find them better to use than a conventional keyboard.
But there is a open source project that has been trying for years to copy the original.
Do you have a URL for information on the project that is trying to reproduce the original?
On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:39 PM, ted leslie <ted.leslie@gmail.com> wrote:
Productivity gains!!! the best productivity gain in IT (assume you type a lot) is the datahand keyboard, can be found for 4-5k$ now,..
I thought I was doing good with my trusty old Key Tronic keyboard :)
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 06:51:12AM -0400, James Knott wrote:
Or my IBM "M" keyboard. It's built like a tank and works well.
I think they are too noisy and have too much pressure required to type. But some people like them, and fortunately for them, they will probably never die. -- len Sorensen
Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 06:51:12AM -0400, James Knott wrote:
Or my IBM "M" keyboard. It's built like a tank and works well.
I think they are too noisy and have too much pressure required to type. But some people like them, and fortunately for them, they will probably never die.
My 26-year-old Model M has mellowed out quite a lot, actually, though I'll admit I can still hear myself type. I have a new-old-stock Model M I bought as backup, and with a fresh set of keys it's a lot louder. Well, I had that one til my wife discovered it and it's hers now. Then there's the looks-like-an-M-but-quiet-keys one I'm using at work, cast aside after a coworker's departure, but I find I actually have to type *harder* than on a real M to reliably have keystrokes register. The "8" key is particularly weak; someone must have been bashing away at way too many asterisks in C code. -- Anthony de Boer
On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:42:20AM -0400, Anthony de Boer wrote:
My 26-year-old Model M has mellowed out quite a lot, actually, though I'll admit I can still hear myself type.
I have a new-old-stock Model M I bought as backup, and with a fresh set of keys it's a lot louder. Well, I had that one til my wife discovered it and it's hers now.
Then there's the looks-like-an-M-but-quiet-keys one I'm using at work, cast aside after a coworker's departure, but I find I actually have to type *harder* than on a real M to reliably have keystrokes register. The "8" key is particularly weak; someone must have been bashing away at way too many asterisks in C code.
Could have been wildcards in regex or shell scripts or command lines. -- Len Sorensen
On Thu, Jun 09, 2016 at 11:52:47PM -0400, Daniel Villarreal wrote:
On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:39 PM, ted leslie <ted.leslie@gmail.com> wrote:
Productivity gains!!! the best productivity gain in IT (assume you type a lot) is the datahand keyboard, can be found for 4-5k$ now,..
I thought I was doing good with my trusty old Key Tronic keyboard :)
I like my keytronic too. :) -- Len Sorensen
On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 03:39:44PM -0400, ted leslie wrote:
Productivity gains!!! the best productivity gain in IT (assume you type a lot) is the datahand keyboard, can be found for 4-5k$ now, i have two. But
I thought my RealForce Topre keyboard was too expensive! I'm confident that my wrist/fingers wouldn't have lasted this long without it. -- William
On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 03:12:38PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote:
I paid $240 for my video card. Over the life of this system and for the productivity gains I got from going to 4k, it's well worth the price. I expect prices will drop on the lower end cards that can do 4k because a newer generation of cards, like the 1000 series, are coming on the market now.
Well as far as I can tell from nvidia's specs, any Geforce 600 series and higher can do 4k@60Hz with displayport 1.2 if the card has a displayport connector. -- Len Sorensen
hmmmm, maybe my criteria was to make sure i had dual monitor cap. for future. But, not sure, really thought it had to be 9 series. As well many reviews i read about it had 9's and I doubt they had dual monitor criteria. Maybe Clifford has thoughts on if he believed he had to do 9 series as well. -tl On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 03:12:38PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote:
I paid $240 for my video card. Over the life of this system and for the productivity gains I got from going to 4k, it's well worth the price. I expect prices will drop on the lower end cards that can do 4k because a newer generation of cards, like the 1000 series, are coming on the market now.
Well as far as I can tell from nvidia's specs, any Geforce 600 series and higher can do 4k@60Hz with displayport 1.2 if the card has a displayport connector.
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On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 04:14:11PM -0400, ted leslie wrote:
hmmmm, maybe my criteria was to make sure i had dual monitor cap. for future. But, not sure, really thought it had to be 9 series. As well many reviews i read about it had 9's and I doubt they had dual monitor criteria. Maybe Clifford has thoughts on if he believed he had to do 9 series as well.
If you want to play 3D games at 4k@60 you probably want a 900 series (probably 960 or better). The older cards would probably have some issues keeping up. -- Len Sorensen
On 08/06/16 04:14 PM, ted leslie wrote:
hmmmm, maybe my criteria was to make sure i had dual monitor cap. for future. But, not sure, really thought it had to be 9 series. As well many reviews i read about it had 9's and I doubt they had dual monitor criteria. Maybe Clifford has thoughts on if he believed he had to do 9 series as well.
I knew there were cheaper options, though I don't recall if they could drive this monitor at 4k @ 60Hz. It was important to me to drive this monitor at 60Hz. Otherwise, I could have bought one of the 39" 4k TVs that were in the range of $300 at TigerDirect that were limited to 30Hz refresh rate. I think Hugh R. has one of those. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay + 1 647-778-8696
On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 04:08:37PM -0400, wrote:
Well as far as I can tell from nvidia's specs, any Geforce 600 series and higher can do 4k@60Hz with displayport 1.2 if the card has a displayport connector.
And speaking of crazy monitors, I see canada Computers has a 34" 3440x1440 10bit curved IPS panel (LG 34UC88-B) on sale for $950. IT doesn't seem like that long ago a 1600x1200 21" CRT cost you $3000. OK maybe that was almost 20 years ago, but it doesn't seem like that long ago. -- Len Sorensen
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IT doesn't seem like that long ago a 1600x1200 21" CRT cost you $3000. OK maybe that was almost 20 years ago, but it doesn't seem like that long ago.
I bought a 17" 1024x768 LCD monitor for $500 10 years ago, when they had just plummeted in price to the point where I was willing to squander my money on one (hey, there was nothing wrong with my 20lb CRT which could do 1150x860, except it took up ALL the desk space). Last year Christmas I bought a 48" 1920x1024 TV for $500. Should have traded in that other LCD at parity... - --Bob. On 2016-06-08 05:15 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 04:08:37PM -0400, wrote:
Well as far as I can tell from nvidia's specs, any Geforce 600 series and higher can do 4k@60Hz with displayport 1.2 if the card has a displayport connector.
And speaking of crazy monitors, I see canada Computers has a 34" 3440x1440 10bit curved IPS panel (LG 34UC88-B) on sale for $950. IT doesn't seem like that long ago a 1600x1200 21" CRT cost you $3000. OK maybe that was almost 20 years ago, but it doesn't seem like that long ago.
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On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 05:15:27PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
And speaking of crazy monitors, I see canada Computers has a 34" 3440x1440 10bit curved IPS panel (LG 34UC88-B) on sale for $950. IT doesn't seem like that long ago a 1600x1200 21" CRT cost you $3000. OK maybe that was almost 20 years ago, but it doesn't seem like that long ago.
My AMD machine has NVidia GTS 450 which can do 2560x1600 (don't know at what Hz). This means I have to buy a new graphic card for LG's 34" 3440x1440 or Philips' 40" 3840x2160. My Intel machine is i3-4170 which can do 3840x2160, but it's on a H97 motherboard which can only put out 2560x1600. This means I have to buy a new motherboard, here also. Hmm, may be it's time for upgrade... -- William
On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 09:52:14AM -0400, William Park wrote:
My AMD machine has NVidia GTS 450 which can do 2560x1600 (don't know at what Hz). This means I have to buy a new graphic card for LG's 34" 3440x1440 or Philips' 40" 3840x2160.
Yes a 450 can not do it. Need at least a 6xx series to do it at 30Hz on HDMI and 60Hz displayport.
My Intel machine is i3-4170 which can do 3840x2160, but it's on a H97 motherboard which can only put out 2560x1600. This means I have to buy a new motherboard, here also.
Which motherboard? Bioth ASrock and Gigabyte list HDMI with 4kx2k on HDMI at 24Hz with H97 boards. -- Len Sorensen
It's Asus H97-PLUS. Checking the specs again, it can do 4096x2160 @24Hz. I thought you need at least 60Hz?--William Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Lennart Sorensen<lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 09:52:14AM -0400, William Park wrote:
My AMD machine has NVidia GTS 450 which can do 2560x1600 (don't know at what Hz). This means I have to buy a new graphic card for LG's 34" 3440x1440 or Philips' 40" 3840x2160.
Yes a 450 can not do it. Need at least a 6xx series to do it at 30Hz on HDMI and 60Hz displayport.
My Intel machine is i3-4170 which can do 3840x2160, but it's on a H97 motherboard which can only put out 2560x1600. This means I have to buy a new motherboard, here also.
Which motherboard? Bioth ASrock and Gigabyte list HDMI with 4kx2k on HDMI at 24Hz with H97 boards. -- Len Sorensen --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 05:36:58AM +0000, William Park via talk wrote:
It's Asus H97-PLUS. Checking the specs again, it can do 4096x2160 @24Hz. I thought you need at least 60Hz?--William
Well 60Hz sure is nice, but if you are just doing text, maybe 340 or even 24Hz is OK. Many movies are only 24Hz after all, and a lot of TV is only 30Hz (Sports heavy channels sometimes choose to use 1280x720 60Hz rather than 1920x1080 30Hz though). Some people would find the mouse pointer responsiveness a bit odd at 30 or 24Hz, while others won't mind. Might remind you of using a dual scan laptop if you were ever that unfortunate. I saw one review for the philips 40" 4k that says it really does support 24Hz operation and truly does display at 24Hz when you ask it to. For watching movies that are natively recorded at 24Hz and stored on blueray at 24Hz, some people really like that feature. And I guess it should mean it would work with that H97 board. -- Len Sorensen
| From: CLIFFORD ILKAY <clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> | > Is well worth the money! The monitor is sooooo bit, that you have to really | > move eyes, or even turn head a bit, so certainly I doubt i would ever | > want bigger, accept that in having this monitor, I can now REALLY see the | > attraction of a curved monitor. | | I have had to fine-tune the distance of the monitor to find the sweet spot | between having to move around to see the edges and being able to focus with my | reading glasses. More fine-tuning with the prescription of reading glasses may | help. Yes. I normally use glasses with progressive lenses (the same idea as bifocals but). These don't work well with my monitor: I have to tilt and twist my head too much. For using monitors, I got a prescription from my optometrist for fixed-focus lenses, optimized for the distance between my eyes and the monitor (I measured it before he wrote the prescription). This is well worth the cost. Really.
On 8 June 2016 at 14:30, CLIFFORD ILKAY <clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> wrote:
I bought this same 40" 4k Philips monitor for $699.99 at a Black Friday sale last year at BestBuy and it has been working great(*). The Wasabi Mango was an LG IPS panel. This one is a VA panel. Theoretically, the IPS panel is supposed to be "better" but I really do not have any objections to the video quality on the Philips. I have not noticed any dead pixels and the brightness is uniform throughout. It has an easy-to-use joystick control and a hard power switch. I have an ASUS GT 960 Strix video card running the nVidia binary driver on Fedora 23 driving the monitor through a DisplayPort cable.
(*) Once every few months, I have to update the binary driver (it's not automatically updated) when I lose X after a kernel update. Occasionally, I'll see a flickering of a window that is not in the foreground. If I move the mouse, the flickering will disappear, which has me suspect the video driver and not the monitor. It's not frequent enough to be anything more than a minor irritant. Neither of those things are particular to this monitor.
With a panel this large, I have not found any need for font-scaling. There is no way I could read text on a 28" 4k monitor without font-scaling. It would be hard to beat the price/performance of this monitor and with the weaker Canadian dollar, monitor prices have been firm. You will not see this monitor at this price very often.
In short, it's a great buy if you've been thinking of upgrading to a 4k monitor.
I assume you mean this: http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/philips-philips-40-4k-uhd-60hz-3ms-gtg-v... Is there any practical way to drive this from a Linux-based laptop that doesn't currently have an appropriate video card / output? (I don't consider "buy a new computer" to be a helpful answer: I'll be ready to do that in about 18 months. But I'll understand if the correct answer is "no." :-) -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr@gmail.com
you can drive it , just not at 4k so what's the use. I tried and researched, only solution is a 9 series (not sure ati solutions), you can get cheap card for i think 150$ range. You could drive it at 2560x?? and later upgrade your video card. -tl On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Giles Orr <gilesorr@gmail.com> wrote:
I bought this same 40" 4k Philips monitor for $699.99 at a Black Friday sale last year at BestBuy and it has been working great(*). The Wasabi Mango was an LG IPS panel. This one is a VA panel. Theoretically, the IPS panel is supposed to be "better" but I really do not have any objections to the video quality on the Philips. I have not noticed any dead pixels and the brightness is uniform throughout. It has an easy-to-use joystick control and a hard power switch. I have an ASUS GT 960 Strix video card running the nVidia binary driver on Fedora 23 driving the monitor through a DisplayPort cable.
(*) Once every few months, I have to update the binary driver (it's not automatically updated) when I lose X after a kernel update. Occasionally, I'll see a flickering of a window that is not in the foreground. If I move the mouse, the flickering will disappear, which has me suspect the video driver and not the monitor. It's not frequent enough to be anything more than a minor irritant. Neither of those things are particular to this monitor.
With a panel this large, I have not found any need for font-scaling. There is no way I could read text on a 28" 4k monitor without font-scaling. It would be hard to beat the price/performance of this monitor and with the weaker Canadian dollar, monitor prices have been firm. You will not see
On 8 June 2016 at 14:30, CLIFFORD ILKAY <clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> wrote: this
monitor at this price very often.
In short, it's a great buy if you've been thinking of upgrading to a 4k monitor.
I assume you mean this:
http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/philips-philips-40-4k-uhd-60hz-3ms-gtg-v...
Is there any practical way to drive this from a Linux-based laptop that doesn't currently have an appropriate video card / output? (I don't consider "buy a new computer" to be a helpful answer: I'll be ready to do that in about 18 months. But I'll understand if the correct answer is "no." :-)
-- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr@gmail.com --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 03:38:47PM -0400, Giles Orr wrote:
I assume you mean this:
http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/philips-philips-40-4k-uhd-60hz-3ms-gtg-v...
Is there any practical way to drive this from a Linux-based laptop that doesn't currently have an appropriate video card / output? (I don't consider "buy a new computer" to be a helpful answer: I'll be ready to do that in about 18 months. But I'll understand if the correct answer is "no." :-)
Well things that can't drive it at 4k: VGA DVI HDMI 1.3 or lower. Things that can drive it: HDMI 1.4 at 4k@30Hz HDMI 2.0+ at 4X@60HZ except they didn't put that on the monitor in this case, so that's not an option. Displayport 1.2 MST at 4x@60Hz I think Displayport 1.1 could do it at 4x@30Hz but I am not sure. So if you have any displayport, you might get 4x@30Hz, or if you have pretty recent HDMI you might, but otherwise you can't. In theory a dual link DVI to displayport or hdmi 1.4 adapter would be able to give 4k@30Hz, but as far as I can tell no such device has ever been made. -- Len Sorensen
| From: Giles Orr <gilesorr@gmail.com> | I assume you mean this: | | http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/philips-philips-40-4k-uhd-60hz-3ms-gtg-v... Thanks for posting the link. The ad I got said that this was a two-deay sale. I think that today is the last day. | Is there any practical way to drive this from a Linux-based laptop | that doesn't currently have an appropriate video card / output? (I | don't consider "buy a new computer" to be a helpful answer: I'll be | ready to do that in about 18 months. But I'll understand if the | correct answer is "no." :-) I'm OK with 30Hz. I better be, since that's what I've got. Your ASUS-ZenBook-UX305CA-UHM4T ultrabook can drive my monitor (UltraHD at 30Hz, through HDMI). I know because I tested the same model here. I just checked again (Fedora 23). It uses the integrated GPU of the Intel Core m3-6y30. I just now tested my Lenovo Yog 2 pro, and it could also do UltraHD at 30Hz through HDMI. That has a two-generations-older intel processor's integrated GPU (i5-4200u). It is kind of neat having a 3200x1800 notebook display PLUS a 3840x2160 monitor at the same time. On the other hand, appropirate scaling for the two displays is quite different (13.3" vs 39" for not-too-different pixel counts). I haven't tried to scale two displays on one desktop differently. Summary: I consider 30Hz "practical", so I would answer your question "yes".
| From: CLIFFORD ILKAY <clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Thanks for the great rundown on you experiences. Very valuable. The price is really attractive compared with many of the other UltraHD choices. It is a little older model (2014?) so there are some things that newer monitors have or will be arriving soon. I look forward to: - HDMI 2.0 (much better for UltraHD than HDMI) - (maybe) DisplayPort revisions (I don't have the version numbers in my head) - High Dynamic Range (10 bits per "colour" per pixel) - (perhaps) I forget the name, but both nvidia and AMD are pushing new methods of screen updating that use less bandwidth or are not locked to 60Hz. I even forget the marketing names and don't really know the technology. As you have mentioned elsewhere, I have had a cheaper and nastier UltraHD TV set as a monitor for a couple of years. I've been really happy. - the 30Hz refresh is much less of a problem than I had feared. (For my eyes and my tasks.) I don't watch videos often (some youtube talks) and 30Hz is the norm for video anyway. I don't game. The only thing that I notice is that mouse tracking looks a little cruder. - I don't actually know the LCD technology of my monitor, but it performs better than TN. In particular colours and brightness don't suffer horribly when the screen is viewed from an angle. That's important for a monitor that is going to occupy such a large field of view. - TV sets (but I hope not monitors) take shortcuts to conserve bandwidth. My TV uses 4:2:2 chroma subsampling, normal for TV and normal for many HDMI. This means that luminance can change every pixel but chrominance can only change every two pixels. This has almost no effect on videos but can have nasty effects on computer desktops. Interestingly, this has only been noticeable on text in funny colours on funny backgrounds. I guess foreground and background are normally distinguished by luminance. Test patterns can show the difference. - HDMI 2 (which I don't have) can get you up to UltraHD at 60Hz, but there are still potential issues. Beware chroma subsampling. They really don't spell this out in TV set specifications (some TVs even do 4:2:0 subsampling which is worse). - TV sets don't do DisplayPort. DisplayPort seems to me to be better than HDMI. - TV sets have multiple HDMI inputs (nice for my use cases) but monitors usually only have one DP input I would like a KVM switch so that I can use multiple computers with one set of Keyboard, Video display, and Mouse. Anything more modern than VGA is hopelessly expensive. Second-best is multiple video inputs and a pile of keyboards and mice. My TV is a stopgap. I will replace it when a new monitor is enough of an improvement. If I didn't have it, the Philips monitor would be a very attractive choice. Again, it is at a price that one could consider buying now and upgrading in a couple of years. I drive my TV with an MSI GeForce GTX650. I have it hooked up to a DVI port, through a DVI-to-HDMI dongle. I don't remember why it didn't work when hooked to the video card's HDMI port. And it only works on one of the two DVI ports, if I remember correctly. Oh, and I do get sound through HDMI even though that isn't part of the DVI spec. Nouveau won't drive my monitor. I try every few months. So I use the proprietary nvidia driver. My computer came with an AMD card. Unfortunately, the card is a special version created for HP that cannot do better than 1920x1200 so I shelved it. I have no experience with an AMD card driving this monitor. My Kangaroo (little Cherrytrail Atom system) running Windows 10 can drive the monitor at 3840x2160@30Hz. But it isn't very fast. I forget what other things have managed. Not the Raspberry Pi.
On Thu, Jun 09, 2016 at 11:59:47AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
- TV sets have multiple HDMI inputs (nice for my use cases) but monitors usually only have one DP input
I have a monitor with 2 displayport inputs as well as 2 HDMI. Not that unusual I would think.
I would like a KVM switch so that I can use multiple computers with one set of Keyboard, Video display, and Mouse. Anything more modern than VGA is hopelessly expensive. Second-best is multiple video inputs and a pile of keyboards and mice.
Yes KVMs for digital are certainly more complex and more expensive.
My TV is a stopgap. I will replace it when a new monitor is enough of an improvement. If I didn't have it, the Philips monitor would be a very attractive choice. Again, it is at a price that one could consider buying now and upgrading in a couple of years.
I drive my TV with an MSI GeForce GTX650. I have it hooked up to a DVI port, through a DVI-to-HDMI dongle. I don't remember why it didn't work when hooked to the video card's HDMI port. And it only works on one of the two DVI ports, if I remember correctly. Oh, and I do get sound through HDMI even though that isn't part of the DVI spec.
I think all nvidia cards since the 200 series have supported that audio for HDMI over DVI extention. I find it very handy. I do have to make sure the BIOS is set to do HDMI audio rather than SPDIF or it won't work.
Nouveau won't drive my monitor. I try every few months. So I use the proprietary nvidia driver.
Weird, but I do the same thing for hdmi through DVI, although only at 1920x1200. It may be that you need the binary driver to do the high res stuff. I seem to remember reading about them adding some 4k tiling feature that was required for it to work. -- Len Sorensen
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