On Wed, Jan 28, 2026, 00:26 Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> wrote: Linux also exists as a console command line edition.
That statement isn't really useful. "Linux" is a kernel. Its current edition is 6.18. Various people and organizations package this kernel with various tools, file systems, libraries, shells,installation methods and utilities to create a distribution. And there are literally thousands of these distributions. While most of them now have a graphic interface component, almost every single one of them has a command line interface underneath. And the ones that don't are not intended for human interaction. My understanding was that, at least previously, tpl provided certification
courses in Linux, which would reasonably include its fundamental foundations.
As the teacher of many of those courses and the co-founder of the certification organization, I'm extremely well acquainted with the relevant subject matter. They did not ever teach or certify knowledge of about browsers. While certainly important, browsers are simply a category of applications. They have NEVER been a "fundamental foundation" of Linux-based operating systems. - Evan
Evan, I respect that my nomenclature might not have resonated. What I mean is that Linux can be a graphical desktop, or it can be a console system, or, I believe, even both. There is, for example, a build of Flint that allows one to technically use much of the same screen reader infrastructure between graphical and console - terminal - command line layers of the system. When I spoke of Linux here, my intent was as a package, a distribution, which ever term works for you. Kare On Wed, 28 Jan 2026, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
On Wed, Jan 28, 2026, 00:26 Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> wrote:
Linux also exists as a console command line edition.
That statement isn't really useful.
"Linux" is a kernel. Its current edition is 6.18.
Various people and organizations package this kernel with various tools, file systems, libraries, shells,installation methods and utilities to create a distribution. And there are literally thousands of these distributions.
While most of them now have a graphic interface component, almost every single one of them has a command line interface underneath. And the ones that don't are not intended for human interaction.
My understanding was that, at least previously, tpl provided certification
courses in Linux, which would reasonably include its fundamental foundations.
As the teacher of many of those courses and the co-founder of the certification organization, I'm extremely well acquainted with the relevant subject matter.
They did not ever teach or certify knowledge of about browsers. While certainly important, browsers are simply a category of applications. They have NEVER been a "fundamental foundation" of Linux-based operating systems.
- Evan
On Sat, Jan 31, 2026 at 5:49 PM Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> wrote:
I respect that my nomenclature might not have resonated. What I mean is that Linux can be a graphical desktop, or it can be a console system, or, I believe, even both. [...] When I spoke of Linux here, my intent was as a package, a distribution, which ever term works for you.
This misses the point. My reply wasn't about nomenclature, it's about fundamentally confusing an operating system with the interfaces and apps that run on top of it. If a console-based browser doesn't render a page usefully, or UI features such as buttons don't work properly, either the web pages were not built with console browsers in mind or the console browsers don't know how to handle them. Or both can be true, and the browsers and the website development are jointly to blame. We don't know yet based on the available evidence. What is clear is that referring to any of this as problems with Linux -- not to mention the absurd invocation of certification classes -- is at best a distraction and at worst a significant obstacle to finding solutions. One suggestion could be to try a modern, full-featured console browser such as browsh or carbonyl on the tpl website and see if the problem persists.This new generation of browsers support website inclusions such as Javascript, CSS3 and WebGL, which older browsers like lynx and links do not. - Evan
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