Hi everyone, Recall a few here have been involved with this program. May I ask what distribution of Linux was taught, and if the program returned post pandemic? Thanks, karen
Hi Karen. TPL has taken its courses from the Cisco Networking Academy, and has to date offered two courses: - Linux Unhatched <https://www.netacad.com/courses/os-it/ndg-linux-unhatched>, a very basic eight-hour course - Linux Essentials <https://www.netacad.com/courses/os-it/ndg-linux-essentials>, a 70-hour program based on the LPI certificate program of the same name. Those who complete the TPL Linux Essentials receive a substantial discount should the student choose to take the LPI certificate exam upon completion Both courses are distribution-neutral. The library has been offering them online during the pandemic; but plans to start offering them again face-to-face soon. Disclaimer: I work for LPI and have been helping TPL with their Linux programs, providing an AMA session near the end of every course. Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56 On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 2:20 PM Karen Lewellen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Hi everyone, Recall a few here have been involved with this program. May I ask what distribution of Linux was taught, and if the program returned post pandemic? Thanks,
karen
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Evan, I have a slightly different reason for asking the question. what I was picturing was more of a training for the public, not that I wish to take the course. may I send you a private question off list though? Thanks, Karen On Tue, 30 Aug 2022, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Hi Karen.
TPL has taken its courses from the Cisco Networking Academy, and has to date offered two courses:
- Linux Unhatched <https://www.netacad.com/courses/os-it/ndg-linux-unhatched>, a very basic eight-hour course - Linux Essentials <https://www.netacad.com/courses/os-it/ndg-linux-essentials>, a 70-hour program based on the LPI certificate program of the same name. Those who complete the TPL Linux Essentials receive a substantial discount should the student choose to take the LPI certificate exam upon completion
Both courses are distribution-neutral. The library has been offering them online during the pandemic; but plans to start offering them again face-to-face soon.
Disclaimer: I work for LPI and have been helping TPL with their Linux programs, providing an AMA session near the end of every course.
Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 2:20 PM Karen Lewellen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Hi everyone, Recall a few here have been involved with this program. May I ask what distribution of Linux was taught, and if the program returned post pandemic? Thanks,
karen
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On second thought Evan, perhaps I can just ask here. Do these classes teach about the command line aspect of Linux? Second question you may not know, does TPL incorporate Linux into their site testing? Thanks, Karen On Tue, 30 Aug 2022, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Hi Karen.
TPL has taken its courses from the Cisco Networking Academy, and has to date offered two courses:
- Linux Unhatched <https://www.netacad.com/courses/os-it/ndg-linux-unhatched>, a very basic eight-hour course - Linux Essentials <https://www.netacad.com/courses/os-it/ndg-linux-essentials>, a 70-hour program based on the LPI certificate program of the same name. Those who complete the TPL Linux Essentials receive a substantial discount should the student choose to take the LPI certificate exam upon completion
Both courses are distribution-neutral. The library has been offering them online during the pandemic; but plans to start offering them again face-to-face soon.
Disclaimer: I work for LPI and have been helping TPL with their Linux programs, providing an AMA session near the end of every course.
Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56
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Hi everyone, Recall a few here have been involved with this program. May I ask what distribution of Linux was taught, and if the program returned post pandemic? Thanks,
karen
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On 2022-08-30 14:40, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
Do these classes teach about the command line aspect of Linux?
IIRC, when I went through a Linux course from Cisco it did cover command line. I don't recall it covering much, if anything, on the GUI side. It has been several years since I did the course so my memory may be faulty. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and | that's why we're powerful" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
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On 2022-08-30 14:40, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
Do these classes teach about the command line aspect of Linux?
IIRC, when I went through a Linux course from Cisco it did cover command line. I don't recall it covering much, if anything, on the GUI side. It has been several years since I did the course so my memory may be faulty.
No, your memory is fine (at least this time). These courses are almost all command line. That's how, for the most part, what's taught is generally distribution-neutral. Most of what differentiates the distributions is in graphic interface and software provision/update policy, which is more advanced that this level of course gets. - Evan
| From: Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | These courses are almost all command line. Wow. That certainly would make Linux unattractive to most ordinary people. Both computer beginners and ordinary users of Windows or MacOS. | That's how, for the most part, what's taught is generally | distribution-neutral. | Most of what differentiates the distributions is in graphic interface and | software provision/update policy, which is more advanced that this level of | course gets. Being distribution-neutral is a great feature but I'm not sure that it is worth the trauma to ordinary users. I guess that the target of the courses must not include ordinary users. What is the target audience? Perhaps TPL needs a different course "Intro to Linux" for ordinary users. First thing: why should ordinary users care.
| From: Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
| These courses are almost all command line.
Wow. That certainly would make Linux unattractive to most ordinary people. Both computer beginners and ordinary users of Windows or MacOS.
What I found is that GUIs are (or anyway were when the old Palo Alto standards still applied) so similar that I didn't really care which one I was using. You point, you click, things happen. Even my aged mother didn't notice the difference after a Windows printer installation failed catastrophically, and I replaced the entire OS with Ubuntu. For promotional purposes, prospective users should know that Linux works the same, and just as well. When you get to the parts the GUI programmers left out, then your only way to understand the things they didn't do is through the command line. Xfce here has gotten some very strange ideas about the apps that go with various file extensions, and I haven't found a configuration app that will set it right. Poking around, searching directories, editing mysterious files seems to be the only way.
| That's how, for the most part, what's taught is generally | distribution-neutral. | Most of what differentiates the distributions is in graphic interface and | software provision/update policy, which is more advanced that this level of | course gets.
Being distribution-neutral is a great feature but I'm not sure that it is worth the trauma to ordinary users.
I guess that the target of the courses must not include ordinary users. What is the target audience?
Perhaps TPL needs a different course "Intro to Linux" for ordinary users. First thing: why should ordinary users care.
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The problem with that idea though, is just what is ordinary? I have a memory of someone from Toronto freegeeks <are they still around?> who used to teach Linux classes, showcasing I believe an option outside of windows. Linux classes being distribution neutral, is actually quite smart, because speaking personally there are so very many many distributions, that it seems hard to say understand Linux has a consistency a foundation, aspects that are the same regardless of distribution. teaching command line, I imagine?, insures those who become certified can work in the environment only needing to learn the gui stuff on top as it were? On Thu, 1 Sep 2022, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
| From: Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
| These courses are almost all command line.
Wow. That certainly would make Linux unattractive to most ordinary people. Both computer beginners and ordinary users of Windows or MacOS.
| That's how, for the most part, what's taught is generally | distribution-neutral. | Most of what differentiates the distributions is in graphic interface and | software provision/update policy, which is more advanced that this level of | course gets.
Being distribution-neutral is a great feature but I'm not sure that it is worth the trauma to ordinary users.
I guess that the target of the courses must not include ordinary users. What is the target audience?
Perhaps TPL needs a different course "Intro to Linux" for ordinary users. First thing: why should ordinary users care.
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On 2022-09-01 11:16, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
I have a memory of someone from Toronto freegeeks <are they still around?> who used to teach Linux classes, showcasing I believe an option outside of windows.
Yup, Free Geek Toronto (FGT) are still around (https://www.freegeektoronto.org/) but I don't think educational part of what they do has been running for a couple of years. I believe that Colin McGregor - who used to be very active in GTALUG - taught some classes at FGT. Stewart
Yes, Colin was who I recalled as well. On Thu, 1 Sep 2022, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote:
On 2022-09-01 11:16, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
I have a memory of someone from Toronto freegeeks <are they still around?> who used to teach Linux classes, showcasing I believe an option outside of windows.
Yup, Free Geek Toronto (FGT) are still around (https://www.freegeektoronto.org/) but I don't think educational part of what they do has been running for a couple of years. I believe that Colin McGregor - who used to be very active in GTALUG - taught some classes at FGT.
Stewart
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Hi, I'm running a charity called Rocklin Reboots. We're CRA recognized. The gist of what we do is receive machines no longer needed by private citizens and industry, use mitary data destruction for the hard drives, and put Linux on the machine to give to those in need of functional computers for work or study but can't afford new, off-the-shelf computers. We give tax receipts for donations of computers and also from any financial contributions from recipients receiving computers with Linux. The reason for my mentioning this here is that I was giving thought to reaching out to FGT to see how we might integrate. I just can't see how yet. Any ideas? Also, please note it is taking me a while to get my act together with a good website and advertising. But so far you can look at https://RocklinReboots.com. You can reach me at Rocklin@rocklinreboots.com if you have any computer donations you'd like to make. Thank you for your time folks, Joseph Rocklin Founder and Administrator at Rocklin Reboots Sept 1, 2022, 6:08 p.m. by talk@gtalug.org:
Yes, Colin was who I recalled as well.
On Thu, 1 Sep 2022, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote:
On 2022-09-01 11:16, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
I have a memory of someone from Toronto freegeeks <are they still around?> who used to teach Linux classes, showcasing I believe an option outside of windows.
Yup, Free Geek Toronto (FGT) are still around (https://www.freegeektoronto.org/) but I don't think educational part of what they do has been running for a couple of years. I believe that Colin McGregor - who used to be very active in GTALUG - taught some classes at FGT.
Stewart
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Hi, Just wondering what do you provide Linux wise if the family has a child with say dyslexia? Kare On Fri, 2 Sep 2022, Joseph Rocklin wrote:
Hi,
I'm running a charity called Rocklin Reboots. We're CRA recognized. The gist of what we do is receive machines no longer needed by private citizens and industry, use mitary data destruction for the hard drives, and put Linux on the machine to give to those in need of functional computers for work or study but can't afford new, off-the-shelf computers. We give tax receipts for donations of computers and also from any financial contributions from recipients receiving computers with Linux.
The reason for my mentioning this here is that I was giving thought to reaching out to FGT to see how we might integrate. I just can't see how yet. Any ideas?
Also, please note it is taking me a while to get my act together with a good website and advertising. But so far you can look at https://RocklinReboots.com.
You can reach me at Rocklin@rocklinreboots.com if you have any computer donations you'd like to make.
Thank you for your time folks, Joseph Rocklin Founder and Administrator at Rocklin Reboots
Sept 1, 2022, 6:08 p.m. by talk@gtalug.org:
Yes, Colin was who I recalled as well.
On Thu, 1 Sep 2022, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote:
On 2022-09-01 11:16, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
I have a memory of someone from Toronto freegeeks <are they still around?> who used to teach Linux classes, showcasing I believe an option outside of windows.
Yup, Free Geek Toronto (FGT) are still around (https://www.freegeektoronto.org/) but I don't think educational part of what they do has been running for a couple of years. I believe that Colin McGregor - who used to be very active in GTALUG - taught some classes at FGT.
Stewart
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Does this include old Macs, too? I have several that are sitting in a closet because they don’t run a currently supported MacOSX. ../Dave On Sep 1, 2022, 6:34 PM -0400, Joseph Rocklin via talk <talk@gtalug.org>, wrote:
Hi,
I'm running a charity called Rocklin Reboots. We're CRA recognized. The gist of what we do is receive machines no longer needed by private citizens and industry, use mitary data destruction for the hard drives, and put Linux on the machine to give to those in need of functional computers for work or study but can't afford new, off-the-shelf computers. We give tax receipts for donations of computers and also from any financial contributions from recipients receiving computers with Linux.
The reason for my mentioning this here is that I was giving thought to reaching out to FGT to see how we might integrate. I just can't see how yet. Any ideas?
Also, please note it is taking me a while to get my act together with a good website and advertising. But so far you can look at https://RocklinReboots.com.
You can reach me at Rocklin@rocklinreboots.com if you have any computer donations you'd like to make.
Thank you for your time folks, Joseph Rocklin Founder and Administrator at Rocklin Reboots
Sept 1, 2022, 6:08 p.m. by talk@gtalug.org:
Yes, Colin was who I recalled as well.
On Thu, 1 Sep 2022, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote:
On 2022-09-01 11:16, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
I have a memory of someone from Toronto freegeeks <are they still around?> who used to teach Linux classes, showcasing I believe an option outside of windows.
Yup, Free Geek Toronto (FGT) are still around (https://www.freegeektoronto.org/) but I don't think educational part of what they do has been running for a couple of years. I believe that Colin McGregor - who used to be very active in GTALUG - taught some classes at FGT.
Stewart
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Dave, Are any of those laptops? On Fri, 2 Sep 2022, David Mason via talk wrote:
Does this include old Macs, too? I have several that are sitting in a closet because they don’t run a currently supported MacOSX.
../Dave On Sep 1, 2022, 6:34 PM -0400, Joseph Rocklin via talk <talk@gtalug.org>, wrote:
Hi,
I'm running a charity called Rocklin Reboots. We're CRA recognized. The gist of what we do is receive machines no longer needed by private citizens and industry, use mitary data destruction for the hard drives, and put Linux on the machine to give to those in need of functional computers for work or study but can't afford new, off-the-shelf computers. We give tax receipts for donations of computers and also from any financial contributions from recipients receiving computers with Linux.
The reason for my mentioning this here is that I was giving thought to reaching out to FGT to see how we might integrate. I just can't see how yet. Any ideas?
Also, please note it is taking me a while to get my act together with a good website and advertising. But so far you can look at https://RocklinReboots.com.
You can reach me at Rocklin@rocklinreboots.com if you have any computer donations you'd like to make.
Thank you for your time folks, Joseph Rocklin Founder and Administrator at Rocklin Reboots
Sept 1, 2022, 6:08 p.m. by talk@gtalug.org:
Yes, Colin was who I recalled as well.
On Thu, 1 Sep 2022, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote:
On 2022-09-01 11:16, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
I have a memory of someone from Toronto freegeeks <are they still around?> who used to teach Linux classes, showcasing I believe an option outside of windows.
Yup, Free Geek Toronto (FGT) are still around (https://www.freegeektoronto.org/) but I don't think educational part of what they do has been running for a couple of years. I believe that Colin McGregor - who used to be very active in GTALUG - taught some classes at FGT.
Stewart
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| From: Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
| These courses are almost all command line.
Wow. That certainly would make Linux unattractive to most ordinary people. Both computer beginners and ordinary users of Windows or MacOS. The course I took (which is the one that started this thread, IIRC) was meant for system administrators and/or those who were thinking of sitting
On 2022-09-01 09:38, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: the LPI exams. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and | that's why we're powerful" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
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