Gender discrimination

So let me understand this. If a woman (me, for example) would bemoan the fact that 80% of participants in a certain field of endeavor are male, that's not gender discrimination, right? (I assume it isn't, since it goes on all the time in all kinds of media, without any visible censorship.) But if a man bemoans the fact that 80% of participants in (another) field of endeavor are female, that's gender discrimination? To my mind, labeling the latter as "gender discrimination seems like... gender discrimination. Or is it that, by definition, censoring a man cannot possibly be gender discrimination? I know it is fun to censor people, but isn't it *more* fun to do it for reasons that make sense? -malgosia

On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 16:58, Malgosia Askanas via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
So let me understand this. If a woman (me, for example) would bemoan the fact that 80% of participants in a certain field of endeavor are male, that's not gender discrimination, right? (I assume it isn't, since it goes on all the time in all kinds of media, without any visible censorship.) But if a man bemoans the fact that 80% of participants in (another) field of endeavor are female, that's gender discrimination? To my mind, labeling the latter as "gender discrimination seems like... gender discrimination. Or is it that, by definition, censoring a man cannot possibly be gender discrimination?
Isn't 2019 soooo much fun... Same thing happens with race. Caucasians can't bemoan anything... Dave Cramer

Malgosia, Dave, I can give you a lecture about systemic inequalities and gender bias... In fact, based on the reactions on the mailing list today it seems to be an urgent issue we need discuss at one of our meetings. Here is our Code of Conduct if anyone needs a reference on how to behave appropriately -- https://gtalug.org/about/code-of-conduct/ If you want to discuss moderation decision, please email board@gtalug.org You've been put into moderation queue for the talk mailing list. Alex. On 2019-03-13 5:03 p.m., Dave Cramer via talk wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 16:58, Malgosia Askanas via talk <talk@gtalug.org <mailto:talk@gtalug.org>> wrote:
So let me understand this. If a woman (me, for example) would bemoan the fact that 80% of participants in a certain field of endeavor are male, that's not gender discrimination, right? (I assume it isn't, since it goes on all the time in all kinds of media, without any visible censorship.) But if a man bemoans the fact that 80% of participants in (another) field of endeavor are female, that's gender discrimination? To my mind, labeling the latter as "gender discrimination seems like... gender discrimination. Or is it that, by definition, censoring a man cannot possibly be gender discrimination?
Isn't 2019 soooo much fun...
Same thing happens with race. Caucasians can't bemoan anything... Dave Cramer
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What makes it universally fun to sensor people? you indicate you know it is fun...why? I point that out because as your example illustrates generalizations tend to make no sense, and fun must be at least understandable as fun no? Kare On Wed, 13 Mar 2019, Malgosia Askanas via talk wrote:
So let me understand this. If a woman (me, for example) would bemoan the fact that 80% of participants in a certain field of endeavor are male, that's not gender discrimination, right? (I assume it isn't, since it goes on all the time in all kinds of media, without any visible censorship.) But if a man bemoans the fact that 80% of participants in (another) field of endeavor are female, that's gender discrimination? To my mind, labeling the latter as "gender discrimination seems like... gender discrimination. Or is it that, by definition, censoring a man cannot possibly be gender discrimination? I know it is fun to censor people, but isn't it *more* fun to do it for reasons that make sense?
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participants (4)
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Alex Volkov
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Dave Cramer
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Karen Lewellen
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Malgosia Askanas