On 2021-04-07 11:21 a.m., D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
When I was an undergrad at University of Waterloo, we were required to use FORTRAN (WatFiv). I hated it. I liked the notation of Algol better and Algol-W (W for Wirth) was a good implementation for student uses. I even created a bit of a rebellion, but it was put down.
That would have been a hard sell, considering that WatFiv was a locally-developed project designed specifically for university use. It produced good-enough code but very quickly, while IBM's compiler would produce great code but bog down the machine because it was quite slow. Algol-W seems like it was pretty fast too. I was surprised to find that there's a (somewhat) maintained Algol-W compiler for Linux: https://tiddly-pom.com/~glyn/ It's partly written in ocaml, and is really an Algol-W to C filter. It seems to have some minor issues building with ocaml > 4.05, but you can force it to work with OCAMLPARAM="safe-string=0,_" make The few times I need the speed of a compiled language, I'll still reach for Fortran. C just wants to crash when I'm near it, and having to remember to start arrays at zero just doesn't work for me. The only functional languages I've ever used (if openscad doesn't count) were DSSSL (Scheme with an embedded CSS engine for document processing in SGML) and XSLT (Scheme [except it's in XML syntax] with an embedded CSS engine for document processing in XML). Both were utterly dismal and I only used 'em because I was paid to. Not being able to use loops but having to write functions that called themselves recursively seemed a huge amount of faffing about and possibly constituted cruelty to programmers. cheers, Stewart