It sounds like some of the problem you were experiencing was with xfdesktop:
https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/start

xfce4/xfwm and their components have had some major upgrades in the past couple years after no updates for a long, long time. Idk about debian versioning but maybe there was some incompatibility if you upgraded one but not the other. Try doing it all at once.

But if you want something more adventurous, maybe you'd be interested in:
Not so Common Desktop Environment (NsCDE)
https://github.com/NsCDE/NsCDE

good luck!

On Tue, Jul 25, 2023, at 2:18 PM, mwilson--- via talk wrote:
I just installed Debian 12 on a new laptop and took Gnome as
desktop/window manager.

I really insist on something more Xerox PARC style.

I had been using Xfce, and liked it until (following Debian 10 software
updates) it began to act strangely.  A few months ago it started to kick
up a huge fuss about difficulties starting the Panel after a restart. 
About 2 weeks back, following an upgrade, the Desktop area stopped
displaying anything -- no wallpaper, no icons from the Desktop folder --
just gray.  That prompted this move to Debian 12.

I might go back to Xfce, and assume my troubles just resulted from being 2
major releases back, but before that, what do other people use and like?

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