15 Jan
2024
15 Jan
'24
5:13 a.m.
The current social assumption made by companies is that all people have a cellphone, all people know how to use them, and all people are almost always connected. This is not the case for much of our society, but from the viewpoint of data architects, developers and tech companies, this is their view. On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 at 07:56, o1bigtenor via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote: > On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 3:03 PM Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 7:20 AM o1bigtenor via talk <talk@gtalug.org> > wrote: > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 3:06 AM ac via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote: > >> > > >> snip > >> > >> > > And, it's just a generic LLM. I've heard experienced developers > >> > > saying surprisingly positive things about GitHub's Copilot for quite > >> > > a while now. > >> > > As for the SQL issue - all search queries on Qwant / DDG / Google > >> > > lead to "how to join tables in SQL"; utterly useless. I know that > >> > > reasonably well. > >> > > And, who hasn't had a search lead them to StackOverflow where the > >> > > highest rated answer is strongly condemned further in the comments > as > >> > > being wrong / out of date / insecure, etc.? > >> > > > >> > Actually, this is an interesting point. > >> > > >> > Google search seems to prioritise answers from humans and human > sources. > >> > > >> > I searched on Microsoft the other day and was surprised to see that I > >> > could supply .js snippets (which I did not code and was too lazy to > >> > read through) and receive a correct answer direct from "search" > >> > > >> > So, us humans will be replaced as 'coders" - Machines will be writing > >> > the code which powers machines. Not only is that something for us to > >> > understand fully, but we also have to comprehend where we are all > >> > choosing to go. > >> > > >> > It is like watching episodes of "the Traitors" and seeing how the > >> > majority votes out a faithful. > >> > > >> > there is just nothing to do but be along for the ride :) > >> > > >> > > Lots of incorrect answers supplied by humans. > >> > > > >> > indeed, if only there was some way to 'sort' or use advanced search to > >> > set dates... (to exclude popular answers from 2009) or do more > settings > >> > on search options... oh, wait.... - and then there are no search > >> > results... when is "search" not "search" and just becomes "answer" - > >> > interesting! - it is like a mobile phone - it is hardly even a mobile > >> > phone any longer, why do so many people still call it a 'phone' or a > >> > mobile phone... > >> > > >> > I think though that I will still be using Google for search, although > >> > when looking at it all from my perspective we are all already screwed, > >> > unless we can vote out all of the tratitors. (which seems increasingly > >> > unlikely) > >> > > >> Re: search engines - - - - to me they are totally frustrating. > >> > >> If I'm asking for a search where I want terms 'a + b + c + d + e' well > - > >> I'm looking for where ALL 5 terms show up. Not where any one term is or > >> any two (etc etc). So if one is looking for very generic kind of items > - - > >> well search is useful - - - if you're looking for the specific - - - - > search > >> - - - well - - its quite useless! > >> > >> (tried to sign up for chatgpt but as I'm unable to use a cellphone at > my location that's a no for even signup (and no way to reach the idiots - - > - - sorry I guess I should use people but I wonder - - to let them know > that I can't because its only after registration that connection is allowed > - - - total circular logic that is!) > > > > > > I'm having a hard time parsing this. > > > > I have never used a cellphone to access https://chat.openai.com -- this > is where I signed up for free and later where I upgraded to Plus. The > process to register is quite easy, I don't quite understand the issues you > and Kevin are having. > > > One doesn't use a cell phone (well I wouldn't) but a cellphone number > is demanded to > verify one's identity. Without a working cellphone connection one is > today - - - a NON-person. > > I understand that you don't get the problem but then you are an urban > dweller who has > absolutely no idea what its like trying to connect to an ever > increasing number of entities > that demand SMS connectiviity (you know like the banks, the bloody > government - - - shall > I go on???!!!!!!!????) all the while prating about maintaining my > privacy and security - - - > bollocks!!!!!!!!!!!!) - - - this is our contemporary situation. That > urban dwellers don't get it > is also our contemporary situation. The pity is that they don't even > try to understand > the enormity of the situation or the helplessness of those caught in > the squeeze - - - - . > --- > Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org > Unsubscribe from this mailing list > https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >