Steve Litt via talk wrote on 2024-10-30 17:37:
*For your use case*, not for some mythical other user, what does systemd give you, besides compatibility with software deliberately doctored to use only systemd, than S6 or Runit? What can S6 or Runit not do, that's actually of value to you?
1) Well supported software that's used by so-called enterprise orgs. Same reason I began using Linux. 2) Something that works well and stays out of my way. 99% of the time it shouldn't even be noticeable. 3) Lots of configuration options.
compatibility with software *deliberately doctored* to use only systemd
"I want to use your free software, and I demand it be provided in the manner of my liking."
I absolutely don't want to consider going back to any of the garbage init systems we had before.
The preceding statement encompasses a whole lot of init systems. Runit, s6, busybox init, Perp, OpenRC, Epoch, Upstart and sysvinit. Are you saying you've tried every one of them and found each wanting?
He probably hasn't, I certainly haven't, because I (many / most of us) use our computers to accomplish tasks, not to become an init-system-hipster in service of a dogmatic belief system. Trying out every niche init system seems like a complete waste of time and even if I encountered one that I really liked, then what?
Network Manager's only legitimate benefit, besides being designed for the windows user refusing to learn Linux
This is really dumb. Anything that makes Linux easier to use is making Linux users' lives easier. I mean, what is wrong with any of these features? (from the Arch Wiki):
NetworkManager is a program for providing detection and configuration for systems to automatically connect to networks. NetworkManager's functionality can be useful for both wireless and wired networks. For wireless networks, NetworkManager prefers known wireless networks and has the ability to switch to the most reliable network. NetworkManager-aware applications can switch from online and offline mode. NetworkManager also prefers wired connections over wireless ones, has support for modem connections and certain types of VPN.
Or, from https://networkmanager.dev/ :
NetworkManager is the standard Linux network configuration tool suite. It supports large range of networking setups, from desktop to servers and mobile and integrates well with popular desktop environments and server configuration management tools.
How someone can turn that into "because Windows users refuse to learn Linux" is incomprehensible to me.