On 2022-01-08 16:16, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
| From: sciguy via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
This second message had a lot more useful information. That eliminates several hypotheses / blind alleys.
| On 2022-01-08 11:20, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: | > [I hate top-posting but it seems best in this case.] | | [No prob. I hope you will tolerate my "interleaved" posting :-) ] | | > | > It sounds like you have two problems: | > | > (1) debian doesn't understand your network card (NIC) | > | > (2) your UEFI setup isn't doing what you need it to | > | > What is your computer? | | "Brand-X". My own concoction from a few years ago. The motherboard is a ASUS | Maximus VI Hero. Video is a NVidia GeForce GTX 1660 supporting a dual monitor. | Sound is on-board. Processor is an Intel Core i7-4770K.
If I remember correctly, computers of that era supported UEFI but were generally configured to use the alternative. The alternative doesn't have an official name. MBR or "Legacy" or "BIOS" are sometimes used.
It's best to have one booting scheme on a computer. If your current Windows system is MBR, your Linux ought to be the same.
There are complexities. Like: how do you support large disks with MBR? The Linux convention is to use GPT partitioning but fake an MBR partition table to allow MBR booting. I'm not going to discus that.
Is your Windows set up as UEFI-booting or as MBR-booting?
| > What is your NIC? | | The NIC is also just a chipset on the motherboard. On Windows, my Device | Manager says that I am using "Intel Ethernet Connection I217-V". Network | discovery is enabled. I don't have wireless on this computer. A direct cat-5 | goes to the router, and DHCP is used.
Google is your friend.
Is this your problem?: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=191981
It looks as if the Windows driver, if Wake on LAN is enabled, puts the device in a state that Linux cannot deal with. Rebooting doesn't fix it. Turning off the computer doesn't fix it. Unplugging the computer long enough (30 seconds?) does work.
| > (2) | > | > UEFI can almost always be convinced to do what you need. If you are not | > used to it, you are probably trying to get it to do something unnatural. | > | > Note: UEFI and GRUB are not alternatives: you will be using both. | > | > UEFI booting is a multi-stage process (true of all kinds of booting) | > | > - UEFI starts | > | > - UEFI has a setting for what to boot. This will be the path to a .efi | > file within the ESP (EFI System Partition) of the hard drive. | > | > - The ESP is a distinguished FAT partition. It will have been created by | > installing Windows. Linux needs to share it. | | I think this is a bottleneck. I notice that it stalls when "writing to boot | record" or something like that. I never saw EFI mentioned by Linux, so I | wouldn't know how to "share" the EFI with Linux. I notice it is not doing it | on its own; or in the case of Debian, it just goes halfway. | | I have also just tried installing Slackware, and it happily installs, but | stalls on the dialog for writing boot information. Pressing ENTER cleared that | dialog and the install finished, but something was probably up, since it only | booted partially, and only with a USB as a boot drive.
At least with Fedora, if you booted the installation medium with UEFI, it will try to install a UEFI system. Note: the Fedora installation meddium can be boote using UEFI or MBR. Make sure that your boot options boot the flash memory stick the same way as you want the installed system to boot.
What I ended up doing is enabling UEFI (which had to be done in 3 places in the boot settings menu), disable secure boot, and set the boot order. I found on another discussion group that Debian and Ubuntu Studio have a dedicated BIOS mode and EFI mode. The installer auto-detects which menu to offer me after it scans the BIOS/EFI. If it sees BIOS, install is in BIOS mode; if it is EFI, the install is in EFI mode. I got the BIOS mode menu first, and that tipped me off to reboot right away and go into the ASUS boot settings. As a bonus, I installed Ubuntu Studio and the network now works. It also read the desktop settings from my user accounts on /home, and it is as if I haven't left (but for some programs that still need to be installed). But I do have an internet connection and am sending this email over it right now. I attempted to mount the EFI partition, but it won't met me chdir into it. :-( Paul