My reaction is, cool, the first baby steps back to the best window manager, that in Windows 3.1. Something that BOTH tiles (with edge drag to resize, and will REMEMBER without having to put in a text configuration file), and cascades (start something new, it plops down on top, maybe I only need it a moment, then I'll close it, or i'll reduce one of the tiled ones and move it to the freed up space. I asked about hybrid tiling and cascading, and AISearch gave me: Yes, several Linux tiling window managers allow manual configuration of tiles. Manual tiling window managers require the user to explicitly define where new windows are placed, often through keyboard shortcuts or commands, rather than relying on automatic layout algorithms. Examples include i3, which uses manual tiling and allows users to split windows similarly to tmux, and herbstluftwm, which operates by splitting frames into sub-frames that can be further divided and filled with windows. Another example is bspwm, which uses binary space partitioning and allows for manual control over window placement and layout. These managers provide precise control over window positioning and sizing, though they typically require users to configure their setup using text-based configuration files or scripts. and I haven't gone to the referenced names to look for details, but i am pretty sure none were mentioned in this thread. to the extent that they "reqire users to configure their setup using text based configuration files" sound much harder than what I remember from 3.1. just reviewed a youtube on bspwm, not promising, unless i need advanced bwspm and wasn't patient enough. Looking on youtube, It seems there are a bazillion window managers. Were any of you active in 3.1 days? Am I too old? My recollection in windows 3.1: when you open a new window, it cascades. But at any point, you can select "tile" with the choices of vertical, horizontal, or block (? not sure of name). All active windows would be tiled per the option. But you could drag the edges to change their sizes. For instance, block tile 4. OK. minimize the lower left, and drag the upper left to be full height. drag the lower right to only be half as wide. unminimize what had been in the lower left, it goes back to where it was, overlaying the bottom half of the now larger left pane, but then drag its edges to reduce it and share the lower right quadrant with what had been there before. 4 windows with areas 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 and 1/8. open a new program, it will cascade from the upper right covering parts of my tiles, but i can resize to the left half. now alt tab will go through all 5 windows, with the left half being which ever of the two there was last active. File manager was the same way. great for sorting files, 4 or 5 small tiles for targets, at least one larger one to brouse and drag them to the smaller tiles. icons along the bottom for minizied windows. if I mimimized a sub-window, it remembered where it was across reboots. if I closed it, it did not. program manager also. one area of my program manager window would contain a gardening related sub-window in the spring, christmas ones in the last quarter, and so on. Carey