Russell, I think we are capable of judging the two cases independently. Instead of the conspiracy theories. Let's look at the one fact that we are all aware of. Many women were uncomfortable around RMS and avoided him. Many refused to participate in our community because of interactions with him. Do you think RMS is more important than a community of developers he is pushing away? I want to explicitly state this. RMS is a major reason free software is where it is. RMS's contributions to free software are gigantic. However, RMS cannot be a leader of our community if he continues to isolate a significant population of prospective developers. RMS the contributor - YES. RMS the leader - NO. RMS cannot be the poster child of our community if it is going to be relevant in the future. Dhaval