On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 3:06 AM ac via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
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> > And, it's just a generic LLM.  I've heard experienced developers
> > saying surprisingly positive things about GitHub's Copilot for quite
> > a while now.
> > As for the SQL issue - all search queries on Qwant / DDG / Google
> > lead to "how to join tables in SQL"; utterly useless. I know that
> > reasonably well.
> > And, who hasn't had a search lead them to StackOverflow where the
> > highest rated answer is strongly condemned further in the comments as
> > being wrong / out of date / insecure, etc.?
> >
> Actually, this is an interesting point.
>
> Google search seems to prioritise answers from humans and human sources.
>
> I searched on Microsoft the other day and was surprised to see that I
> could supply .js snippets (which I did not code and was too lazy to
> read through) and receive a correct answer direct from "search"
>
> So, us humans will be replaced as 'coders" - Machines will be writing
> the code which powers machines. Not only is that something for us to
> understand fully, but we also have to comprehend where we are all
> choosing to go.
>
> It is like watching episodes of "the Traitors" and seeing how the
> majority votes out a faithful.
>
> there is just nothing to do but be along for the ride :)
>
> > Lots of incorrect answers supplied by humans.
> >
> indeed, if only there was some way to 'sort' or use advanced search to
> set dates... (to exclude popular answers from 2009) or do more settings
> on search options... oh, wait.... - and then there are no search
> results... when is "search" not "search" and just becomes "answer" -
> interesting! - it is like a mobile phone - it is hardly even a mobile
> phone any longer, why do so many people still call it a 'phone' or a
> mobile phone...
>
> I think though that I will still be using Google for search, although
> when looking at it all from my perspective we are all already screwed,
> unless we can vote out all of the tratitors. (which seems increasingly
> unlikely)
>
Re: search engines - - - - to me they are totally frustrating.

If I'm asking for a search where I want terms  'a + b + c + d + e' well -
I'm looking for where ALL 5 terms show up. Not where any one term is or
any two (etc etc). So if one is looking for very generic kind of items - -
well search is useful - - - if you're looking for the specific - - - - search
- - - well - - its quite useless!

As I've been pondering the AI stuff (tried to sign up for chatgpt but as I'm
unable to use a cellphone at my location that's a no for even signup (and
no way to reach the idiots - - - - sorry I guess I should use people but I
wonder - - to let them know that I can't because its only after registration
that connection is allowed - - - total circular logic that is!) what
I've come up
with is from looking at the past.

Truly innovative and unique ideas/things are rarely enough even designed
or developed by a 'team' (that's changing in advanced materials these days
though) most often its an individual that finds something that the thundering
herd has either ignored or doesn't know about. Somehow to date AI is more
about the thundering herd (and a technique that when fully utilized will allow
major chip makers (and some small group of other hardware vendors) to
really cache in the bucks ('Follow the money' is the adage!). Am wondering
if that is the reason for AI's proliferation?

What say you?

TIA
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