-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hugh wrote:
What's the processor?
I'll have to check. It's possible the two P200s have different CPUs, since there are other differences. And I may be remembering the speed of the dead 64-bit laptop, not the 32-bit laptop.
| But now that some packages are no longer | available in 32-bit architecture (hello, Chrome!) it may be necessary | to buy a new laptop.
Switch to Firefox? What other programs are missing?
I'm already using IceCat, so the browser isn't my problem. But the lack of 32-bit Chrome is the thin edge of the wedge. There will be other packages that will no longer be distributed for 32-bit architecture. Then what? But I guess we're not using 8-bit and 16-bit CPUs any more either.
If you've got the notebook, why not use it until it dies
Yup. That's how I treat all my computers. And then take the useful parts and frankenstein them into other computers. - --Bob. On 2018-02-10 09:46 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
| From: Bob Jonkman via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
| I have a Toshiba Satellite P200 laptop, 3 GHz dual-core CPU, 2 GBytes | RAM, 200 GByte HD, 4 USB ports, and, most wonderful of all, a 1440x900 | px 17" screen.
What's the processor? I read a review of a P200 that had a Core Duo T2350 processor running at 1.867GHz. The fastest Core Duo T series runs at 2.33GHz.
| But now that some packages are no longer | available in 32-bit architecture (hello, Chrome!) it may be necessary | to buy a new laptop.
Switch to Firefox? What other programs are missing?
| Are there any down sides to using a 32-bit machine as a web- or mail | server? I'm thinking low power consumption, &c. make that an | attractive alternate use.
Power consumption isn't that low on your notebook. There have been some efficiency advances since 2006 when the Core Duo T series were introduced.
I'm typing this on a three year old netbook with a processor that is roughly as powerful (but with modern features) and takes a lot less power (7.5W vs 31W + GPU power).
But that's a minor point. If you've got the notebook, why not use it until it dies or something better comes along?
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Hugh wrote:>> I would think that most 32-bit only laptops are not really useful
any longer.
I have a Toshiba Satellite P200 laptop, 3 GHz dual-core CPU, 2 GBytes RAM, 200 GByte HD, 4 USB ports, and, most wonderful of all, a 1440x900 px 17" screen.
I was disappointed to learn about a week ago when installing Debian Testing that it only has a 32-bit CPU. I have another P200 that no longer boots, and I was sure it had a 64-bit CPU. That one also had Bluetooth and 6 USB ports, so it was likely a higher sub-model of the P200.
Such a machine is perfectly adequate for web surfing, e-mail reading, maintaining other people's websites, and ssh-ing into whatever remote machine I'm SysAdminning. But now that some packages are no longer available in 32-bit architecture (hello, Chrome!) it may be necessary to buy a new laptop.
Are there any down sides to using a 32-bit machine as a web- or mail server? I'm thinking low power consumption, &c. make that an attractive alternate use.
Howard wrote:
Has anyone else out there played with this? (Netinstall)
Yes, very successfully. I generally prefer doing the netinstall. Using an .iso to install takes time to copy all the OS files and packages to the computer, and, unless the .iso is a very recent release, almost everything you just installed has to be replaced with the first upgrade you make. So, might as well do the netinstall and get all the current stuff the first time.
--Bob.
On 2018-02-10 10:49 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: | From: Howard Gibson via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
| I have just upgraded my 32-bit laptop to Fedora 27. The install DVD | is no longer available for 32-bit. I had to do a Netinstall.
Interesting. What laptop is it? I would think that most 32-bit only laptops are not really useful any longer.
On 2018-02-09 10:27 PM, Howard Gibson via talk wrote:
I have just upgraded my 32-bit laptop to Fedora 27. The install DVD is no longer available for 32-bit. I had to do a Netinstall. Netinstall is poorly documented, but the default settings all work, I was able to select the software I wanted, and it has all worked very well. I think I actually prefer Netinstall to the DVD.
Has anyone else out there played with this?
I have not yet updated my website notes.
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