On 18 November 2014 00:48, Digimer <lists@alteeve.ca> wrote:
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> On 17/11/14 11:55 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
>>
>> From the outside, it looks as if the init system decision has taken a
>> horrible toll on debian:
>> <http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg0MjM>
>> Very sad.
>
>
> I would place more of the blame on the (childish) reaction from Ian and others. From what I've seen, the resignations all are based on constant abuse and stress.
>
> How easily people forget that it's a group of volunteers.

Right you are...

You can't expect volunteers to put up with the abuse that paid staff are paid
to take.

From the comments from the fellow that was working on systemd packaging,

Tollef Fog Heen, I think there was a further, rather broader, poisonous thing
going on, namely that a faction of those strongly against systemd were
behaving spitefully.

This parallels the way a lot of political debate goes, these days; I gather

that our municipal Fords were seeing a lot of abusive comments, as,

doubtless, did Olivia Chow, and, based on the "it's like ISIS coming to

Toronto!!!" bit, doubtless John Tory saw some of this.

The "GamerGate" thing sounds like it had a dose of the same.

I think I'm seeing it just about any time someone picks up a rock

nearby anything that has the least bit of controversy around it; you
discover that there are dreadful people saying corrosively horrible

things.

What's awful is that there are groups of people prepared to dump
poisonous vitrol, I would think, in an attempt to convince the
targets to give up and leave.

It would be pretty terrible if that led to the Debian project getting

severely hobbled. It's awful that people that don't like systemd

(and I don't count myself too much a fan; it definitely concerns
me, technically) aren't trying to do things that are helpful to the
project, but rather pouring acid into the works.

I'm potentially an "opponent of systemd in Debian"; I don't want

the vitrol-pourers that were harassing Tollef Fog Heen to

be imagined to be part of "my side". I don't want that nonsense
associated with me.

When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the
question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"