On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 19:36, Fraser Campbell wrote:

On December 4, 2003 12:56 pm, Marcus Brubaker wrote:

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You might find this article, by one of the LISP community's greats, both interesting and on topic:

http://www.paulgraham.com/javacover.html

To each their own opinion but if you want to do OOP then there really isn't a better language out there than Java.

Do people write real software with java or is still just web stuff?

Absolutely. I've written a number of "real" projects in Java. Further, I use a number of applications that are written in Java. (E.G. PCGen) -- Marcus Brubaker <marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml