It's my opinion that SCO is hoping for a settlement and never wants to go to court. Lots of people sue with the hope of getting paid off because it is cheaper for the defendant to handout the money then to defend itself. I think this has from the very beginning been a bluff from a very desperate company. The shenanigan with SCO issuing stocks and then SCO executives cashing in smells really bad. The issuing of licenses appears to nothing more than FUD. SCO has alienated just about everyone imaginable, and the SCO execs are looking for early retirement. Of course this is just my opinion :) Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: Rick Tomaschuk [mailto:rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 9:56 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org I did not get the impression SCO was trying to drag down the Linux name especially as a "past time" but rather they are moving to protect their IP (Intellectual Property) in the very same manner the music industry has been doing. (ie.Napster) They seem adamant about their current holdings (UNIX) and are trying to enforce their legal rights. SCO's assertion is that IBM (as a company, not rogue employees) did knowingly introduce AIX code to Linux licensed from the SCO/Novell/AT&T agreement. SCOX (Nasdaq $13.55) is a tiny company approx. 350 employees & current market cap 100M++ now that their stock price has increased from below one dollar a year ago. They were almost delisted. SCO has an impressive team of professionals working on all aspects of this case. SCO is not a group of "stupid idiots" as many seem to think they are. I'm amazed no one on the list server with advanced programming skills took the time to go to Vegas to try to get to the bottom of things or at the very least to hear SCO's side and grill them on the spot. They were all there answering any and all questions. At least no one else on the list server has spoken out yet about their trip to SCOForum yet. Hell I'm almost sorry I said anything now. I UNDERSTAND substantial code exists above and beyond the powerpoint presentation however SCO is not prepared to release it publicly...yet. Don't dump on me. I support the Linux effort with great enthusiasm since it began but need to have options for different customers. I'm as adversely affected by all this the same as others in the industry. I don't need more FUD in my life. I was working with 3.5, 3.51, NT when it first arrived. I sure did'nt need that CRAP in my life especially when Novell had (what I considered) to be rock solid technology at the time. I welcome all comments. Nothing like a great brainstorming session to liven things up. Rick Tomaschuk rickt-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org Novell Resource: http://www.TorontoNUI.ca On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 19:45:37 +0300 (IDDT), "Peter L. Peres" <plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org> wrote :

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: peanuts compared to the long term value it offered. What on earth is wrong with a free market? Our whole economy is based on a free market.

This is not about free market, this is about some firm or other dragging down the good name of Linux and attacking the GPL in a FUD war that precedes a multi-billion multi-year lawsuit in a country other than the one where you (I understand) and I (certainly) live, for months on end (**), where such things are a national passtime apparently.

The FIRST thing that should worry a Linux user/developer is whether the GPL was violated by someone. Not by whom. Then the second worry would be to undo the damage asap, first by applying the GPL provisions for violations of the GPL license, since THIS is the license that was violated, not some IP ownership or other, about which as a Linux user/developer you should care only as a second thought. That means immediate summons from the GPL and FSF (as appropriate) copyright and license rights owners (such as Linus Torvalds, who owns the copyright on the majority of the kernel code) to the involved or suspected parties to cease distribution and use of Linux and of the name Linux (Linux is

trademark of Linux Torvalds) until the matter is cleared, and in

also a parallel

an effort to find and remove the code that OFFENDS THE GPL (I do NOT care who else it offends !) from the Linux codebase, and replace it as necessary. THIS is what Linux users and developers need.

THEN, when on the side, we can talk about whose made a mistake and who went along with it, and have all the fud you want, about those firms who are involved in this. *NOT* about GPL and Linux, which is a *victim* of misuse by someone of someone else's IP, and not *guilty* of it. Come to think of it, the GPL copyright holders could sue both big firms for license violation and slander.

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The world is moving toward globalization. The GPL is a welcome addition to our world but we still need to maintain other options. IMHO

The GPL is a welcome addition to what exactly ? It has been here for nearly 10 years I think. Other options ? As many as you want. But without the Linux codebase and the GPL, thank you, we will not have them mixed into the continuous-lawsuit-thing that takes part in a certain country.

{\footnote (**) New Linux versions come out about every 6 months. If the lawsuit will work as such lawsuits worked until now, it could bog down Linux development for 6 versions, easily. I do *NOT* want that, badly enough, to start contributing to a new codebase derived from 2.2, and thus unaffected by the lawsuit, starting tomorrow. And I know I am not alone on this. Know thy history, at least so you can avoid past mistakes. 'Waiting it out' is not a good idea in this case. And I don't care if I have to call it 'Notlin' or something like that. }

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