On December 4, 2003 12:56 pm, Marcus Brubaker wrote:

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You might find this article, by one of the LISP community's greats, both interesting and on topic:

http://www.paulgraham.com/javacover.html

To each their own opinion but if you want to do OOP then there really isn't a better language out there than Java.

Do people write real software with java or is still just web stuff?

How do you define "real"? The actual successes with Java have been with "application server" software, which often represents web servers, but also other sorts of server software. The folks I work with have a whole lot of Java server software... -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="acm.org" in String.concat "@" [name;tld];; http://cbbrowne.com/info/oses.html A Plateau is the highest form of flattery. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml