Ok, here are two brands: IPC - older 'disappearing' brand ? 2GHz 256MB 20GB CD-RW+DVD 15" TFT, touchpad, looks very much like a Dell clone ? but isn't one. There are no Dell parts in it. The price is no longer of actuality. Daewoo - 950MHz 256MB 20GB 14.4" TFT (?) no cd (can upgrade) but only 1.6kg (almost a notebook), comes with Lindows and OpenOffice installed, and xtra lithium battery, 3xUSB, ether and modem builtin, all supported by Lindows, for about US$1000 cash or 6 months on credit (remember we have serious taxes here - like 18% vat on everything and more funnies - in your parts the price on discount will likely be 60-70% of what we see here). Interesting, this is the first laptop loaded with Linux that comes from a local shop chain I see here. Good timing for this thread ;-) Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml