Hello, What likely triggered my response was what seems as an obnoxious, blind statement:
MY UNDERSTANDING is that it is not SCO's intention to undermine the Linux effort
At the briefing SCO claimed copyright and trademark ownership of the UNIX name. I am surprised that you have not read that since SCO has made their claims, their claim of having the UNIX trademark is disputed, and SCO
On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 11:54, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: likely will need to legally establish that they do own that trademark. I had guessed that you knew this when your previous mailing read " SCO owns copyrights and trademarks for UNIX SYSTEM V."
Unix coming from mixed origins (Berkeley)is based on confidential agreements and otherwise with AT&T to rewrite code. I believe you used the word "most". Many were in development long before SYSTEM V, but adopted SYSTEM V "feel". Back then it was popular to establish one's UNIX version as a SYSTEM V UNIX (or BSD UNIX). Regardless, how is such information relevant?
While I may not be 100% right on with every tiny tid-bit since I have better things to do than filter through every line of every article ever written on the subject Hmm... I am surprised that in your reading you have not learned that your "hard" statements are controversial, and discussion might be improved by providing context for such statements.
I'm confident in the accuracy of the bulk of what I'm saying since I've had the opportunity to get answers directly from SCO's CEO and other CEO's and officers who seem to know what they are talking about. I guess that presents it better, as your previous posting appears biased.
If you are as informed as you think you are we could have used you in Las Vegas this week. Why were'nt you there? I definitely do not consider myself informed, only it seems that you are drinking from one pool ;-)
The trip cost peanuts compared to the long term value it offered. I am interested to know what you see as the long term value?
What on earth is wrong with a free market? My comment was more in response to your "packaging" and associating of the ideas.
Our whole economy is based on a free market. I still need to do more traveling of the world to decide my own personal opinion there...but here we greatly digress.
The world is moving toward globalization. The GPL is a welcome addition to our world but we still need to maintain other options. IMHO Rick, I continue to miss the context and relationship of your statements. I doubt it is your intention, but your mixture of generally agreed assertions with very controversial ones is interesting.
I commend you if your intention is to seek out moral truth. Cheers, Lloyd
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:49:51 -0400, Lloyd D Budd <lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org> wrote :
On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 17:59, Rick Tomaschuk may have wrote:
My understanding is that SCO owns copyrights and trademarks for UNIX SYSTEM V. Err...but it is debatable whether they own the trademark to UNIX. IBM had a special contractually arrangement with AT&T. The other UNIX(s) that IBM bought have not had their agreements released.
Most other (nearly all) UNIXes are based upon licences from SYSTEM V (AT&T) so SCO is at the root of the UNIX tree. Most? Many UNIX seem to be from mixed origin.
It is not clear to me how relevant other item is, but there is a *huge* amount of interesting information on the net related to this.
As for reporters and their articles I've read and will continue to read all I can find. Rick, prior to the briefing where you well versed on the information available?
I find it difficult to believe that you have read everything that you can find. Otherwise, I do not know how you could suggest:
MY UNDERSTANDING is that it is not SCO's intention to undermine the Linux effort but rather to survive as a "for profit" company in a free market.
profit> some have suggested that there has been stock sell off of interesting quantity
free market> cringe
If you are genuinely interested, it appears there is a lot of material available that you might not have read thoroughly. slashdot is a good place to start as they provide links to pretty much all of the articles I was aware of before I got bored of the topic after many, many articles over many, many days, Lloyd
P.S. This is unlikely be resolved any year soon.
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