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Waaaay offtopic
by davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: >That was the opening I left in the first choice, namely that something >that is not being identified is being added in the water. > > so you did .. >The notion that our biology responds to chemicals that are not actually >present doesn't fit into what could make sense. > > I agree with you there, not actually present is _beyond_ micro. it's almost .. nonexistant .. spooky .. hey, d'ya suppose Joe's better yet ? ahhh .. ahhh .. ahhh HITLER !!! 'scuse me. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

Walter Dnes wrote: >On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 01:08:44PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote > > > >>>You might want to read "Voodoo Science" by Dr. Robert Park or "A Demon >>>Haunted World", by Carl Sagan for further info. >>> >>> >>I think the practice you are slagging is actually "homeopathy". Yes, >>microdoses sound downright improbable, but I have to say that I have >>seen it used successfully countless times over the last 30 years. >>Just because we don't understand something doesn't always mean >>it's bogus. >> >> > > OK, here's a scientifically verifiable experiment. > Equipment > ========= > - 1 eye-dropper > - 1 stirring rod > - 2 shot glasses > - 2 1-imperial-gallon glass containers > - pour 1 imperial gallon of distilled water into 1 of the containers. > - pour 6 26-ers of 100-proof whisky into the 2nd container. > - take eye-dropper, grab 1 drop from the whisky container, and deposit > it into the distilled water > - stir the distilled water, and 1 drop of whisky, thoroughly > > Now comes the fun part. I'll drink 1 shot-glass of the distilled >water, with very dilute whisky. You drink 1 shot-glass of the 100-proof >whiskey. Repeat every 30 seconds. Last one standing wins. Since >you're convinced that micro-doses are supposed to be so much more >powerful, you'll surely take me up on the bet. And after you win the >challenge, your next logical step will be to lobby to get the current >alcohol tests for drunk-driving reversed, because the weaker the dosage, >the stronger the effect. > > > you _funny_ ! I thought you were actually going somewhere with that ! I read an intriguing book by *Richard** Mackarness that connected allergy and addiction. Perhaps amusingly, in your example the chap who drank the 100 proof, would only be fueling an alcoholic cycle, and the microdose recipe you suggested might even prove the key to breaking that cycle ! The book (a little of what you fancy) makes an interesting case. Much better that my current ramblings. *http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author=Mackarness%2C%20Richard/102-8797807-1288938 so laugh all you want, but microdoses have their applications, you whiskey drinking wicked, wicked man ! and anyway; SHOW ME THE PENGUIN ! have you forgotten that linux and all of the sisters sacred open source are the ONLY IMPORTANT THINGS ! a tangent from wayyyyyyyy off off topic, pass the whiskey sheesh ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Hello Every One
by roulton623-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

On Fri, 2003-12-19 at 13:17, JoeHill wrote: > On 19 Dec 2003 12:55:58 -0500 > Stephen Oulton <roulton623-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > When I ran top it told me that from 5.1 to 6.6 percent of my CPU was > > being used. > > > > 85 programs were being used 81 were sleeping 2 were running and 2 were > > zombie. > > > > That doesn't seem like a lot. > > No, doesn't sound like anything is chewing up your CPU or memory. > > > Maybe it is because the install crashed and I had to make it work with > > my limited experience. I tried to install it 3 times and it crashed > > during install every time. > > > > I even formated the drive and tried a clean install and it still crashed > > on install. > > That is highly unusual. Don't get me wrong, I had my install of 9.2 hang on me > once, but I just restarted the install from scratch and all was well. > > I'm by no means the biggest expert on here, but I see two real possibilities: > > The installation is corrupted somehow. Maybe one or more of the ISO's were bad? > Hence the hideously bad experience on install...always check md5sums! > > md5sum filename.iso > > and compare it to what's on the Mandrake site. > > More likely though is some hardware issue, I'm thinkin' bad RAM. Come to think > of it, you never did mention how much RAM you have in that machine (you really > should have at the very least 128, but if you are running KDE or Gnome, those > can really chew up memory, so 256 is what I usually recommend). I would try > swapping out the RAM and see if the performance doesn't change. > > Also, right after you boot up, open a term and type: > > dmesg > dmesg.txt > > then open that text file in an editor and look for any errors, esp with regard > to memory. Thanks for your reply Joe When I booted the computer the memory test was 327680 KB OK This is the information from the dmesg file that refers to memory it doesn't seem to have any problems there. Linux version 2.4.21-0.13mdk (flepied-JAOzawC1ADxn+L6o72McsUEOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org) (gcc version 3.2.2 (Mandrake Linux 9.1 3.2.2-3mdk)) #1 Fri Mar 14 15:08:06 EST 2003 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 00000000000a0000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 00000000000f0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 0000000013ff0000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 0000000013ff0000 - 0000000013ff3000 (ACPI NVS) BIOS-e820: 0000000013ff3000 - 0000000014000000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 00000000ffff0000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) 319MB LOWMEM available. ACPI: have wakeup address 0xc0001000 On node 0 totalpages: 81904 zone(0): 4096 pages. zone(1): 77808 pages. zone(2): 0 pages. I skimmed through the rest of the file and it was only information about devices on the system. There were no error messages any where. I'm stumped I like Mandrake though and I will find out what is wrong. I tried the on line update yesterday and I had to re-install the system again. I guess I need to learn more before I start with the on line updates. The same thing happed this time as soon as it came to the summary part of the install the thing just stopped. I waited for two hours and it didn't start again. I had to reboot with the reset button and fix the file system. It does seem to be working better this time though. But there is still a big delay in the applications starting. Some times I wonder if they are going to start and click again and have two instances. I know this is new and there isn't much support for it and I like the idea that Microsoft didn't have a hand in it. Thanks To every one Stephen Oulton <roulton623-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

> It's nice to imagine but if a hospital's costs go down from reduced visits > they'll just find other way to spend their budget ... sure the secretaries > need $4,000 computers with flat-screen monitors ;-) You know, I'd try and contradict you but after working in the healthcare sector I can confirm that you are more spot on than you probably realize! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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hardware appraisal
by lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

reboot.on.ca provides charitable donation receipts when I drop off old hardware. Possibly they can assist with that dimension of your problem. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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DVD Burning and Viewing
by taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 05:28:33PM -0500, John Vetterli wrote: > On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Taavi Burns wrote: > > using just the IDE driver. Your commandline starts to look something > > like this (yes, I have but one IDE channel, so hdb is my burner): > > cdrecord dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdb speed=24 image.iso > > Does this setup give you problems? I was under the impression that > putting the hard-drive and cd-burner on the same ide channel could lead to > buffer underrun errors, since the controller has problems dealing with > both devices in use at the same time. It's usually a bad idea for me to go thrashing the drive while burning, and while burning the hd performance is pretty sucky anyway. Oh, and when the drive is ejecting or accepting a new disk, or while finalising a burn, hd access is impossible, leading to the system locking up on very simple tasks, if they involve something such as swapping. Other than that, my drive has BurnProof and an 8MB buffer. It doesn't coaster easily. ;) The Duron 1GHz and 120GB HD is quite sufficient to keep things in line, unlike the days of the P-133 and 4GB drives. ;) -- taa Widespread ignorance of the intimate relationships between cultural belief systems, childrearing practices and the development of violent behaviors will doom any attempts to truly understand, and prevent, violence. --Bruce D. Perry /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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VPN question (ssh)
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

On December 21, 2003 06:28 pm, Justin Zygmont wrote: > it had a lot to do with the original type of question. I was trying > dsniff lately, which is probably my favourite packet sniffer, and I see > that it uses a man in the middle technique and does infact support ssh > version 1. I'm suprised no one has tried to add more code of their own to > compromize ssh 3.x. I don't see how that can be stopped unless they use > kerberos maybe, I always thought man in the middle was probably the best > interception technique. AFAIK, man in the middle attacks against ssh work only if the end-user is behaving badly. Part of the ssh protocol (1 or 2) involves authenticating the server. The server has a private key readable only by root, it has a public key that a user caches in ~/.ssh/known_hosts (or for all users in /etc/ssh/known_hosts). I'm no expert on public-key crtypography but I believe (roughly speaking) it works like this: - client and server agree on a string to encrypt - server encrypts string using private key and sends result to client - client checks encrypted string against the public key in it's cache ... despite not knowing the server's private key, the client can definitively know whether the string was encrypted using the correct private key That is a very rough description and I'd like to be corrected if wrong. Regardless of my description, client has ability to know definitively that it's talking to a server that has the private key that is expected. So there are a few ways that security can be compromised: - server gets broken into and someone steals private key to use in man-in-the-middle attack (they need root access to steal your key so you have big problems here quite apart from ssh) - the end user doesn't verify the key properly - the end user ignores warnings of changed keys Second point is that if you want to ensure security then you must securely populate your known hosts file. ssh'ing to a server and having the client add the public key to your known_hosts is not secure ... you can't be sure that there isn't a "man in the middle". Third point is regarding users that ignore messages like ... @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ If the machine hasn't been reinstalled then you really need to question why it's key has changed and not trust the server until you find out why and verify the new key. -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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C programming question
by taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 09:34:28AM -0500, John Wildberger wrote: > "Das gefingerpoken in den Gewerken is not for Dummkopfen and is verboten." :-) ACHTUNG Das Machine ist nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Is too easy schnappen der springwerk und blowenfusen und poppencorken mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gwerkin by das dumpkofen das rubbernecken sightseeren. Keepen der hands in der pockets, relaxen und watch all der blinkelights. -- taa The most critical and formative experiences are those provided to the developing child in the incubator of the family and, optimally, by a vital, invested community. --Bruce D. Perry /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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mp3 server
by jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

it should work ok, why not use apache 2? On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Teddy Mills wrote: > I am setting up a new RH9 system and it is blank ,except for.. > > Apache 1.329 > PHP 4.34 > MySQL 4.01 > > Im looking to make a MP3 music server. > Not a streaming server, just something to play some MP3s via Apache. > > Any recommendations? > Does someone have a working MP3 server? > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > teddy mills http://www.vger.ca > VGER directives...To collect...all that is collectable. To sell...all that > is saleable.To merchandise...all that is merchandisable. > > Family Guys Quagmire "allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll right" > Capt Tenneal "LETS GO!" > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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mp3 server
by jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

http://rimps.sourceforge.net Works great for me on SuSE 9.0 pro With rimps you can stream or download to the local machine. Search, edit tags, create playlists, add media, users etc all from the web interface. User access control as well ( so my kids don't delete the mp3's they are trying to play ) Teddy Mills wrote: > I am setting up a new RH9 system and it is blank ,except for.. > > Apache 1.329 > PHP 4.34 > MySQL 4.01 > > Im looking to make a MP3 music server. > Not a streaming server, just something to play some MP3s via Apache. > > Any recommendations? > Does someone have a working MP3 server? > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > teddy mills http://www.vger.ca > VGER directives...To collect...all that is collectable. To sell...all that > is saleable.To merchandise...all that is merchandisable. > > Family Guys Quagmire "allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll right" > Capt Tenneal "LETS GO!" > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/(a)public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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