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MisterHouse / x10 /home automation
by MichaelGalea-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A＠public.gmane.org 03 Dec '03

03 Dec '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Mailing List [mailto:tlug-KfBRzk3UKwol8X4E99VVQg at public.gmane.org] > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:11 AM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: [TLUG]: MisterHouse / x10 /home automation > > > Has anyone used x10 or home automation in > their house? Where is a good place to > shop for x10 stuff? Any recommendations? > > Robert > -- I use it to turn a fan on in my attack, and it has worked reliably for three seasons now. I used an x10 motion sensor to turn on a lamp in my hall at night so my kids wouldn't go bouncing into things on the way to the loo.. Somewhere in my neighborhood, someone else started to experiment with x10 and turned my tv set on a few times (select an original house/device code and you can get around that..) All that having been said, the technology has no capability for error detection and retransmission and I never considered it reliable, or used it for anything I really needed to depend upon. The fact that you can't pull data with it, just push doesn't help either.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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C considered harmful: was Debian attacker may have used new exploit
by phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w＠public.gmane.org 03 Dec '03

03 Dec '03

OK, I hate to flog a dead horse but really: This exploit, like others against Unix machines many years ago, was based on a buffer overflow dumping the user into supervisor space. This, in turn, is a direct result of the fact that the C programming language does not check or enforce limits on a string length or buffer size - that's left up to the individual programmer. Surely, given the importance of security, it should be possible to fix the C language (or my preference, use a different one) to do systems programming. After all, C is not so much a systems programming language as a high-level version of assembly language. Years ago, Philipe Khan of Borland said that 'C is a disease and the Americans are spreading it.' Maybe he had this kind of thing in mind. Peter (Incidentally, a former profs at Ryerson, Heather Hinton, was working on such a mechanism to prevent stack overflows. I guess it's never been widely adopted.) On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 10:22:01PM -0500, Tom Legrady wrote: > When the thread gets around to Hitler, the horse is not only dead, but > already boiled down for glue. > > Next topic, please. > > Tom > > >On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 05:11:38PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > > > > > >>So, to end the thread, placing limits on the free exchange of any information, > >>whether it is for some limited time or perceived good, is the kind of slippery > >>slope that leads to a regime **Hitler** would have loved ;-) > >> > >> > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Debian attacker may have used new exploit
by legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 03 Dec '03

03 Dec '03

When the thread gets around to Hitler, the horse is not only dead, but already boiled down for glue. Next topic, please. Tom >On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 05:11:38PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > > >>So, to end the thread, placing limits on the free exchange of any information, >>whether it is for some limited time or perceived good, is the kind of slippery >>slope that leads to a regime **Hitler** would have loved ;-) >> >> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SMC Cable/DSL 4port router
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 03 Dec '03

03 Dec '03

Tim Writer wrote: > > Yes, that's how I've configured it too. It just bothers me that a product > labeled "firewall" has such limited firewalling capabilities. And if you've > got a Linux firewall, it's not too hard to throw in a wireless card and do it > "properly". > It does have firewall capabilities, which are fine if you're just connecting it to a high speed line and don't worry about wireless security. However, I'd have preferred to have a firwall on the wireless side. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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mdk kernel enterprise src?
by aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y＠public.gmane.org 03 Dec '03

03 Dec '03

On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 19:17, Lloyd D Budd wrote: > ...err, now I think I understand... the source files end up in > /usr/src/RPM/SOURCES , no entry is made in rpm db , and from here I > could extract the kernel source tar files or what ever I want to... Umm, I guess so, but that's not what you want to do. That tarball will not contain any Mandrake-specific modifications. It is pristine. If you want kernel modules you build yourself to insert into the Mandrake kernel, you'll need to build them against the Mandrakized kernel source. Just install the kernel-source RPM and Bob's your uncle. It will drop into /usr/src/linux. Austin -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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mdk kernel enterprise src?
by lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ＠public.gmane.org 03 Dec '03

03 Dec '03

On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 18:55, Austin wrote: > On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 18:11, Lloyd D Budd wrote: > > I see there is > > kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-1-1mdk.src.rpm (39303204) > > kernel-source-2.4.22-21mdk.i586.rpm (42200593) > > > > I wonder about the size difference :-( > > You realize that these are not the same thing, right? Having never made an RPM, I had thought I had... I had thought that kernel.src.rpm would have about the same contents as kernel-source.rpm . I had thought that src.rpm might possibly be a little larger, but not the other way around... Still I should be able to install kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-1-1mdk.src.rpm ? ...err, now I think I understand... the source files end up in /usr/src/RPM/SOURCES , no entry is made in rpm db , and from here I could extract the kernel source tar files or what ever I want to... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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mdk kernel enterprise src?
by aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y＠public.gmane.org 03 Dec '03

03 Dec '03

On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 18:11, Lloyd D Budd wrote: > I see there is > kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-1-1mdk.src.rpm (39303204) > kernel-source-2.4.22-21mdk.i586.rpm (42200593) > > I wonder about the size difference :-( You realize that these are not the same thing, right? kernel.src.rpm is the RPM source; it's used by RPM makers to make RPMs (compilation instructions, etc.) kernel-source.i586.rpm is a package containing the kernel source code itself (installs to /usr/src/linux) It looks like the one you downloaded is corrupt maybe? Try kernel-source from http://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake/updates/9.2/RPMS/ Austin -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Multiple USB keyboards ?
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 03 Dec '03

03 Dec '03

I have multiple video cards (agp, pci) and multiple mouses (serial, ps/2, usb) working independently. That is, I can choose which should be selected when bringing up X. But, multiple keyboards are all shared; so, you can press keys from any keyboard. How do you get them working independently? -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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mdk kernel enterprise src?
by lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ＠public.gmane.org 03 Dec '03

03 Dec '03

mdk-9.2 I am trying to get a closed source (VPN client) kernel extension working. I would like to use kernel-enterprise-2.4.22.21mdk-1-1mdk, but I need the source. I see there is kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-1-1mdk.src.rpm (39303204) kernel-source-2.4.22-21mdk.i586.rpm (42200593) I wonder about the size difference :-( urpi only finds the 2nd. I tried that one, but symbols unresolved. http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/search.php?query=kernel-2.4.22.21mdk lists the 1st, but attempting to install it, but it does not: rpm -i kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-1-1mdk.src.rpm -vv D: ============== kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-1-1mdk.src.rpm D: Expected size: 39303204 = lead(96)+sigs(264)+pad(0)+data(39302844) D: Actual size: 39303204 D: unshared posix mutexes found(38), adding DB_PRIVATE, using fcntl lock D: opening db environment /var/lib/rpm/Packages create:cdb:mpool:private D: opening db index /var/lib/rpm/Packages rdonly mode=0x0 D: locked db index /var/lib/rpm/Packages D: opening db index /var/lib/rpm/Pubkeys rdonly mode=0x0 D: read h# 342 Header sanity check: OK D: ========== DSA pubkey id 9aa8d0d022458a98 D: kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-1-1mdk.src.rpm: V3 DSA signature: OK, key ID 22458a98 D: added source package [0] D: found 1 source and 0 binary packages D: Expected size: 39303204 = lead(96)+sigs(264)+pad(0)+data(39302844) D: Actual size: 39303204 warning: user qateam does not exist - using root warning: group qateam does not exist - using root warning: user qateam does not exist - using root warning: group qateam does not exist - using root warning: user qateam does not exist - using root warning: group qateam does not exist - using root warning: user qateam does not exist - using root warning: group qateam does not exist - using root warning: user qateam does not exist - using root warning: group qateam does not exist - using root warning: user qateam does not exist - using root warning: group qateam does not exist - using root warning: user qateam does not exist - using root warning: group qateam does not exist - using root warning: user qateam does not exist - using root warning: group qateam does not exist - using root kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-1-1mdk D: ========== Directories not explictly included in package: D: 0 /usr/src/RPM/SOURCES/ D: 1 /usr/src/RPM/SPECS/ D: ========== D: fini 100644 1 ( 0, 0) 1324 /usr/src/RPM/SOURCES/README.Mandrake;3fce6c45 D: fini 100644 1 ( 0, 0) 2948 /usr/src/RPM/SOURCES/README.kernel-sources;3fce6c45 D: fini 100644 1 ( 0, 0) 137112 /usr/src/RPM/SPECS/kernel-2.4.spec;3fce6c45 D: fini 100644 1 ( 0, 0) 9651394 /usr/src/RPM/SOURCES/linux-2.4.22-q21.tar.bz2;3fce6c45 D: fini 100644 1 ( 0, 0) 29528612 /usr/src/RPM/SOURCES/linux-2.4.22.tar.bz2;3fce6c45 D: fini 100644 1 ( 0, 0) 3403 /usr/src/RPM/SOURCES/linux-mdkconfig.h;3fce6c45 D: fini 100644 1 ( 0, 0) 7767 /usr/src/RPM/SOURCES/linux-merge-config.awk;3fce6c45 D: fini 100644 1 ( 0, 0) 3081 /usr/src/RPM/SOURCES/linux-merge-modules.awk;3fce6c45 GZDIO: 4802 reads, 39336828 total bytes in 2.004 secs D: closed db index /var/lib/rpm/Pubkeys D: closed db index /var/lib/rpm/Packages D: closed db environment /var/lib/rpm/Packages Am I barking up the wrong tree? Cheers, Lloyd -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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OT; become a master baiter !
by davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 03 Dec '03

03 Dec '03

OK, this is OT, but it's so much fun I had to share; What's the best way to deal with email scam "artists" ? junk filter ? report to the proper authorities ? NO ! Join the ranks of scam-baiters for fun and .. er.. FUN ! Pose as a Mugu (victim) and watch 'em dance ! While you're pulling their chain, you are distracting them from conning someone more gullible. If the sport of scam-baiting become real popular, the perps will eventually have to find another way to rip people off. Find out how at http://www.419eater.com/index.htm or http://www.scamorama.com/ I have been following a few of the adventures and haven't laughed this hard in a while ! happy hunting ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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