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Waaaay offtopic
by hughreilly1-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

>From: William Park <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> >Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Waaaay offtopic >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:11:32 -0500 >Of course, people runs company to make money. Vaccine company makes and >sells vaccine. Milk company sells milk, and will say it's good for you. >Even though the only people who are losing bone calcium are those who >drink milk like water, they will defend their livelihood. Did you >expect something else, Hugh? Yes, William, I expect more. But I have to admit that when people are afraid for their livelihoods, they do tend to act against the "greater good" if it will help their own individual circumstances. That's why I think it's so important to make sure our systems and institutions are designed to harness human nature to increase the "greater good". BTW, I tried emailing you earlier today, but got an undeliverable thingy back from your address. -Hugh _______________________________________________ Hugh Reilly XEN Technology Group | LinuxLab 600 Bay Street, Suite 405 Toronto ON M5R 1G6 tel: 416-204-9951 fax: 416-204-9723 email: info-2K4XOyu7qTosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org _______________________________________________ http://www.xen.ca | http://www.linuxlab.ca _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi… -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Cogeco.ca blocking incoming port 25 smtp
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

On December 19, 2003 07:32 pm, William Park wrote: > They blocked dynamic IP when I tried to send to <cogeco.ca>. So, I > relayed through my ISP. Since I haven't received any reject message, I > assume it's in queue somewhere. > > Hmm, > $ telnet cogeco.ca 25 > 554 5.7.1 zues2.cgocable.net Connection not authorized Why are you trying to talk smtp with cogeco.ca, that host isn't listed as a mail exchanger for them? > $ host -t mx cogeco.ca > cogeco.ca mail is handled by 0 MX.cogeco.ca. > > Someone goofed. Tell them to fix typo in their DNS zonefile. Why do you think that someone goofed? It's not clear to me that anything is wrong; their mx (as you pointed out) is mx.cogeco.ca, and it's reachable ... $ telnet mx.cogeco.ca 25 Trying 216.221.81.26... Connected to mx.cogeco.ca. Escape character is '^]'. 220 fep5.cogeco.net ESMTP Cogeco Cablesystems -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by hughreilly1-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

>From: James Knott <james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> >Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Waaaay offtopic >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:13:01 -0500 >One person I'd never believe is a naturopathic "doctor". Naturopathy is >based on a bogus belief that a tiny amount of something that causes the >same symptoms as a disease will cure or prevent it. The problem is, that >the doses generally prescribed are physically impossible. For example a >common dilution of the "medicine" is 10X or divided with water or alcohol >10:1, 10 times. The problem with this amount of dilution, is that the >number of molecules gets in the way. In order to consume one molecule of >the substance, you'd have to drink several thousand gallons of water. They >also have another dilution of 100C, which is 100:1 100 times, which is even >more impossible. You're mistaking naturopathy for homeopathy. Plus, your world-view is getting in the way. The truth is, there are "mysteries" which science as-we-know-it cannot explain. The fact that science ("official" science, anyway) cannot explain homeopathy has no influence whatsoever on the thousands of people worldwide who benefit from its practice. Science is not yet finished explaining the world to us; it's evolving, and so are we. Keeping an open mind is good survival instinct. Anybody interested in a new and "unproven" effective treatment for bacterial and viral disease? -Hugh _______________________________________________ Hugh Reilly XEN Technology Group | LinuxLab 600 Bay Street, Suite 405 Toronto ON M5R 1G6 tel: 416-204-9951 fax: 416-204-9723 email: info-2K4XOyu7qTosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org _______________________________________________ http://www.xen.ca | http://www.linuxlab.ca _________________________________________________________________ It??s our best dial-up Internet access offer: 6 months @$9.95/month. Get it now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Wiring for data in houses
by robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Mike Kallies wrote: > I was thinking of cat3 phonewire, 2 sets of cat6 data (material costs I really wouldn't bother with cat3. Run another length of cat6. I did this in my home in Australia (well, cat5a which was the highest category at the time) and have the flexibility to patch phone or data around the house using the cat6. My other suggestion is to consider getting a professional in this area. They'll take care of interference issues[1], etc, and really aren't expensive. [1] Well, the good ones will, anyway :) > Wireless is not going to be a perfect replacement for this stuff for a > long time, today it is slow and suffers from privacy issues. Tomorrow I see the main problem as speed. The security is easy enough to overcome through the use of IPSec, which would itself make an interesting project :) > it will be faster, but whether or not it will cater to impractical geeks But "wired" connects will be faster still. 10GBit ethernet is just around the corner. > remains to be seen. Besides, it's fun to hack around with this stuff. Definitely. > Another reason I want to do this however is because it is an old > house... I'm going to be doing some electrical & plumbing upgrades, and > afterwards, I'm going to be using some blow-in insulation for energy > efficiency and soundproofing... which will make future wire > installations an order of magnitude more difficult. Ok, maybe you already have the skills to do the job professionally yourself :) Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 06:52:59AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > >RealNetwork is like after-market car radio company that is suing GM > >because GM has the arrogance to put radio in all GM cars, thereby > >shutting out after-market radio companies. > > Actually, that matter did go to court and the auto makers lost. What do you mean they lost? You mean GM can't sell red cars, because that will shutout after-market companies selling red paints? -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Wiring for data in houses
by denisc-MAEtQwdlj00＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

Hi all, I've often thought about wiring in houses and I think it makes more sense to have a wiring 'chase' or a route worked out in a house ahead of time. I worked as an electrical contractor in Toronto for a long time and one nagging question in any sort of residential or commercial construction was always "has everything been planned for". I think a more reasonable approach to wiring consideration in buildings would be to accept that even if you are able to correctly spec and install the required wiring services, it's only good for today. What about tomorrow? My approach to wiring is to make allowance for these changes. In addition to trying to provide for all the wiring systems, design the construction to allow for easy future wiring expansion by building in chases or wireways that will allow additional cables and conductors to be pulled or fished in at a later date as they're required. If you had wiring access to every room in the house the problem might be solved. This probably isn't the most economical solution but it could be simple and effective. For example if you need to go from room to room in a house you could use the clothes closets to locate the opening for a small chase say 4 by 4 inches located anywhere on the inside wall of the closet where it will never be seem. This chase could go to a common area like the basement, or to another closet in another room. If it was already fished with a piece of jet line string you only have to tie on and have an accomplice pull the other end. Don't forget to pull in a new string with the new cable you're installing. This approach might work with power wiring also, check the National Electrical Code book, it does make an allowance for fishing in cable in section 12. If you're worried about fire transmission cover the hole with a large piece of 5/8" drywall. Just my two cents. Cheers, Denis Casserly -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:25:30 -0500 "Hugh Reilly" <hughreilly1-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> wrote: > >From: James Knott <james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> > >Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > >To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > >Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Waaaay offtopic > >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:23:29 -0500 > > > >Hugh Reilly wrote: > >>Has anyone out there heard of the "zapper", invented by Saskatchewan > >>naturopathic doctor and celll biologist Hulda Clark? She claims that > >>disease-causing bacteria and viruses in the body can be killed by > >>low-level radio frequencies. The zapper delivers that frequency to the > >>body, and has been claimed by some to actually cure AIDS. > > > >If that's all it takes, we're all going to be fine. We're constantly > >bathed in RF from many sources. The above claim, indicates she's a fraud. > > No it doesn't. The science behind it is, of course, more complex than you > could have known from my post. What I find interesting is that that didn't > stop you from jumping to conclusions. Holy crap, all I wanted to do was give anyone else out there with the flu a "I know how yer feelin'", I never thought it would come to this. Sorry, but I'm gonna hafta do it. *Hitler* caused AIDS. Muahahahahaha! -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The United States Drug Enforcement Agency estimates pot smuggling from the western province of British Columbia alone is worth more than $1 billion a year. This is *very* bad, because Bush and his pals are not seeing one dime of that. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 05:29:24AM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > > - inability to generate revenue from actual sales. > > ...because some company convicted of being an illegal monopoly is > pulling the rug out from under you. This is the case of loser blaming the winner for winning. Real was trying to win over Microsoft, no? -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by hughreilly1-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

>From: James Knott <james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> >Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Waaaay offtopic >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:23:29 -0500 > >Hugh Reilly wrote: >>Has anyone out there heard of the "zapper", invented by Saskatchewan >>naturopathic doctor and celll biologist Hulda Clark? She claims that >>disease-causing bacteria and viruses in the body can be killed by >>low-level radio frequencies. The zapper delivers that frequency to the >>body, and has been claimed by some to actually cure AIDS. > >If that's all it takes, we're all going to be fine. We're constantly >bathed in RF from many sources. The above claim, indicates she's a fraud. No it doesn't. The science behind it is, of course, more complex than you could have known from my post. What I find interesting is that that didn't stop you from jumping to conclusions. >>I have been experimenting myself with the device, having built several >>over the past couple of years. And I have to say, with very positive >>results. And I am NOT getting a flu shot! > >How do you know you've had positive results? Did you run a full study, >with several participant, including a control group? If not, all you've >got is a delusion. I could claim that eating pizza & beer prevents >disease. After all, I've had lots of both and rarely get sick (only one >sick day in 21 years, with one employer). I don't need to employ the scientific method to prove something to myself. Neither do you, unless you don't trust yourself. If pizza and beer works for you, who am I to argue? >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -Hugh _______________________________________________ Hugh Reilly XEN Technology Group | LinuxLab 600 Bay Street, Suite 405 Toronto ON M5R 1G6 tel: 416-204-9951 fax: 416-204-9723 email: info-2K4XOyu7qTosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org _______________________________________________ http://www.xen.ca | http://www.linuxlab.ca _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi… -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 07:36:53PM -0500, Hugh Reilly wrote: > >> I have an African friend who thinks that the AIDS virus was > >> introduced there through mass vaccination programs. > > >That idea was taken seriously enough to be investigated at some > >length, but the evidence is strongly and clearly against it. > > Easy to say, but where is this "evidence". Did you read about it or > watch it on TV? I don't think the vaccine is the immediate culprit. Perhaps, using same needle over and over again may be more relevant. But, yes, there are fundamental issues about vaccination. Humans, bacteria, virus, and other parasitic organisms have been around for long time, and things settle into equilibrium over time. There are academic question about whether over-vaccinating disturbs that equilibrium. In particular, researchers are now thinking aloud that childhood diseases (which we have targeted through vaccination) may be necessary factor in the proper development of human body, and that vaccination only creates other immune related problems. There were some study into whether vaccination and over-use of estrogenic compounds (I think they were talking about shampoos) are related to the general decline in male virility. I'm not into biology, so I don't where it went. Even so, I don't think cosmetic companies are to blame. :-) > > >> Makes me seriously wonder why so much ENORMOUS hype has gone into > >> Ontario's flushot program. > > > >Because vaccinating people is a lot cheaper than looking after the > >bad cases in hospitals. > > Yes, the best propaganda always sound plausible, doesn't it? Of course, people runs company to make money. Vaccine company makes and sells vaccine. Milk company sells milk, and will say it's good for you. Even though the only people who are losing bone calcium are those who drink milk like water, they will defend their livelihood. Did you expect something else, Hugh? -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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