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telnet
by robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy＠public.gmane.org 01 Dec '03

01 Dec '03

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > Control-RightMouseButton Some xterm clones/replacements (notably rxvt) don't support this (unfortunately as it is a fantastic feature). > Or call it with a font specification, e.g.: > > xterm -font "-*-lucidatypewriter-medium-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-*-*" Or use xrdb to set application defaults for your account. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Selling Linux ??
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 01 Dec '03

01 Dec '03

On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 09:56:58PM -0500, Julian C. Dunn - Lists wrote: > On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 19:24, William Park wrote: > > > 1. Does anyone know who is currently selling (Linux based) > > X-terminals? > > > > X-terminal is the "canonical" solution for many situations. > > And, recent development in PXE network booting makes > > Etherboot, Netboot, Rom-a-matic, LTSP (Linux Terminal Server > > Project), Mknbi-linux, Imggen, ... > > all obsolete. If you have 3c905 (what I have), then you can > > boot over network without above packages. I'm told you can also > > do that with Intel's ethernet card, as expected since PXE is > > Intel spec. > > *Some* of those components would be obsolete with PXE. > Etherboot/Netboot in particular. However LTSP has to do with the > infrastructure on the server-side, so it is by no means obsoleted by > the ability to netboot within the NIC's firmware. But, once you mount NFS root from the remote server, then X-terminal is looking at the same "root filesystem" as it would have from local harddisk. Maintaince/administration is the same. The only "edge" that LTSP brought to the table was network boot. > > 2. Do you think there is much demand for 2, 3, or 4 users logging > > onto single computer? ie. "Linux mainframe". > > > > That is, multiple sets of monitors, keyboards, and mouses hooked > > up to single computer; much like serial terminals, but with XDM. > > This would be primarily aimed at home market, where you want to > > have one computer serving 2, 3, or 4 users, but don't want to > > buy 2, 3, or 4 separate computers. > > Earlier this year a fellow from a company called Display Works (?) did > a presentation at TLUG about how he converted his company's internal > staff to all use diskless X terminals running off a few Compaq servers > running Linux with LTSP. I'm sure someone has the slides from his > presentation sitting around somewhere. X-terminal still requires motherboard, ethernet card, power supply, and case; in other word, still a computer without disks. I meant just connecting second set of monitor/keyboard/mouse to a computer, ie. one motherboard with 2 video cards (for 2 monitors), 2 keyboards (USB), and 2 mouses (USB). I'm wondering if there are market for such things... -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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GUI
by reg.hughson-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 01 Dec '03

01 Dec '03

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:13:54 -0500 Anton Markov <anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello everyone, > > I am sorry that this discussion has gone so off topic. I should have > never continued this discussion when I noticed it going off to > political grounds. It's just that I am tired of seeing "Microsoft is > evil" every five messages. I know it falls under "Linux advocacy", > but this is a technical list so let's keep the discussion on technical > things. I love seeing links to new proof about the advantages of > switching to Linux. Let's keep it at that. If anyone would like to > continue the current discussion, let's do it off the list. > OMG, finally someone is going to put an end to this. Talk about getting way off topic and way too political. We all know Microsoft is headed by Satan and that should be the end of that. > Thanks. > > JoeHill wrote: > | ...are you high on crack at the moment? That's the only explanation, > other than > | a complete lack of knowledge about legal history, I can come up with > for such an > | absurd statement. > Perhaps I have not researched the topic as throughly as you have. > Now that I re-read my own message I realize that I was exadurating. > > > PS. How do you change the subject of a thread (ex. "Re: Intel (was Re: > [TLUG]: GUI)")? > > - -- > Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> > > GnuPGP Key fingerprint = > 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 > > ~ "The difference between insanity and genius is measured only by > success."~ - Some bad guy from 007 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE/ymuiRreNkzrRRLQRAtzNAJwNx36zNg3xfMeHMqFG28MAeidnuQCfVq9/ > /kgDZp9xRaymQe+IJ391phY= > =3Isn > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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telnet
by mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ＠public.gmane.org 01 Dec '03

01 Dec '03

A lurker returns I just came across a BBS which is accessed with telnet. While the stock telnet in Xterm works, has anyone come across a front end or something with a few more features? A search at sourceforge didn't show anything for Linux. I went through the man page for Xterm but can't see how to change the font size. It is very small now so I think it might be a default setting somewhere else. Cheerio -- Merv Curley Scarborough, Ont Libranet Linux 2.8 KDE 3.1.4 KMail 1.5.4 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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telnet
by c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 01 Dec '03

01 Dec '03

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Merv Curley wrote: > A lurker returns > > I just came across a BBS which is accessed with telnet. While the stock > telnet in Xterm works, has anyone come across a front end or something with > a few more features? A search at sourceforge didn't show anything for > Linux. > > I went through the man page for Xterm but can't see how to change the font > size. It is very small now so I think it might be a default setting > somewhere else. Control-RightMouseButton Or call it with a font specification, e.g.: xterm -font "-*-lucidatypewriter-medium-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-*-*" -- Chris F.A. Johnson ================================================================= cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org http://cfaj.freeshell.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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telnet
by jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg＠public.gmane.org 01 Dec '03

01 Dec '03

Depending on your terminal.... if you hold CTRL+RightMouseButton, you get a popup where you can pick relative font sizes (small medium big, etc) On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Merv Curley wrote: > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 00:01:09 -0500 > From: Merv Curley <mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org> > Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > To: TLUG List <tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org> > Subject: [TLUG]: telnet > > A lurker returns > > I just came across a BBS which is accessed with telnet. While the stock > telnet in Xterm works, has anyone come across a front end or something with > a few more features? A search at sourceforge didn't show anything for > Linux. > > I went through the man page for Xterm but can't see how to change the font > size. It is very small now so I think it might be a default setting > somewhere else. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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telnet
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 01 Dec '03

01 Dec '03

On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 12:01:09AM -0500, Merv Curley wrote: > A lurker returns > > I just came across a BBS which is accessed with telnet. While the > stock telnet in Xterm works, has anyone come across a front end or > something with a few more features? A search at sourceforge didn't > show anything for Linux. > > I went through the man page for Xterm but can't see how to change the > font size. It is very small now so I think it might be a default > setting somewhere else. Huh? What's wrong with xterm -fn ... man xterm -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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telnet
by aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y＠public.gmane.org 01 Dec '03

01 Dec '03

On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 00:01, Merv Curley wrote: > I just came across a BBS which is accessed with telnet. While the stock > telnet in Xterm works, has anyone come across a front end or something with > a few more features? A search at sourceforge didn't show anything for > Linux. gnome-telnet (a.k.a. gtelnet) It's good, and it does ssh as well. Austin -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Selling Linux ??
by hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ＠public.gmane.org 01 Dec '03

01 Dec '03

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:24:56 -0500 William Park <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> wrote: > 1. Does anyone know who is currently selling (Linux based) X-terminals? > > X-terminal is the "canonical" solution for many situations. And, recent > development in PXE network booting makes > Etherboot, Netboot, Rom-a-matic, LTSP (Linux Terminal Server > Project), Mknbi-linux, Imggen, ... > all obsolete. If you have 3c905 (what I have), then you can boot > over network without above packages. I'm told you can also do that > with Intel's ethernet card, as expected since PXE is Intel spec. > > 2. Do you think there is much demand for 2, 3, or 4 users logging onto > single computer? ie. "Linux mainframe". > > That is, multiple sets of monitors, keyboards, and mouses hooked up > to single computer; much like serial terminals, but with XDM. This > would be primarily aimed at home market, where you want to have one > computer serving 2, 3, or 4 users, but don't want to buy 2, 3, or 4 > separate computers. > > Any comments or insights would be appreciated. William, An X Terminal is nothing more than a machine with a monitor, keyboard and mouse that puts up an X11 display. You do not care what the OS is. What Linux gets you is a use for all those old Pentiums that everybody wants to get rid of, that otherwise, are running perfectly. If the hardware is okay, Linux provides an X display. My experince from quite a few years ago is that X Terminals are rather expensive for something that is little more than a dumb terminal. As far as a central computer is concerned, there is no free lunch. If your users require 256MB each, your four-user machine requires 1GB of memory. Multiple processors sound to me like a good idea. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard-42qnO8ePF9cV+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Selling Linux ??
by lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 01 Dec '03

01 Dec '03

On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 19:24, William Park wrote: > 1. Does anyone know who is currently selling (Linux based) X-terminals? > > X-terminal is the "canonical" solution for many situations. And, recent > development in PXE network booting makes > Etherboot, Netboot, Rom-a-matic, LTSP (Linux Terminal Server > Project), Mknbi-linux, Imggen, ... > all obsolete. If you have 3c905 (what I have), then you can boot > over network without above packages. I'm told you can also do that > with Intel's ethernet card, as expected since PXE is Intel spec. *Some* of those components would be obsolete with PXE. Etherboot/Netboot in particular. However LTSP has to do with the infrastructure on the server-side, so it is by no means obsoleted by the ability to netboot within the NIC's firmware. > 2. Do you think there is much demand for 2, 3, or 4 users logging onto > single computer? ie. "Linux mainframe". > > That is, multiple sets of monitors, keyboards, and mouses hooked up > to single computer; much like serial terminals, but with XDM. This > would be primarily aimed at home market, where you want to have one > computer serving 2, 3, or 4 users, but don't want to buy 2, 3, or 4 > separate computers. Earlier this year a fellow from a company called Display Works (?) did a presentation at TLUG about how he converted his company's internal staff to all use diskless X terminals running off a few Compaq servers running Linux with LTSP. I'm sure someone has the slides from his presentation sitting around somewhere. - Julian -- [ Julian C. Dunn <jdunn-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org> * <julian at dreaming.org> ] [ WWW: www.aquezada.com/staff/julian/ * www.dreaming.org/~julian/ ] [ PGP: 0xFDC205B9 - 91B3 7A9D 683C 7C16 715F 442C 6065 D533 FDC2 05B9 ] [ "sometimes you win, sometimes you lose / and most times ] [ you choose between the two" - carole king, "sweet seasons" ] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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