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Data recovery emergency on a downed server... Help please!!
by kru_tch-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 31 Dec '03

31 Dec '03

On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 04:59:16PM -0500 or thereabouts, Wil McGilvery wrote: > I do not like using CD's because the storage is too small. Even DVD's are not quite big enough to completely back up a system. They are also cheap and you can still experience unreliability. Even the "good" cd's are still too unreliable for me. > > When I first got started I used dat tapes and sold some to customers. That was a big mistake. I was replacing the tape drive every year and once I had a new tape drive it was a crap shoot as to whether I could perform a restore or not from an old tape. > > If you are backing up your own data on your own system at your house then do what ever works because obviously price is a consideration, but if you are responsible for mission critical data, don't go cheap. It is just not worth it. Spend the money and do it properly. > > Like I said before, you get what you pay for. I'm surprised to hear you say that DVD's aren't quite big enough... I'm in the digital asset business, and we gave tape up a long time ago. We use DVD with a jukebox, and the whole thing is automated in terms of doing the actual backup, we have no issue carrying over files that fill up one disk to another, the software is intelligent enough to know where all the parts are. Our backups each day aren't tiny... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Data recovery emergency on a downed server... Help please!!
by jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/＠public.gmane.org 31 Dec '03

31 Dec '03

It will be interesting when the next-gen dvd format becomes more affordable. The blu-ray format will store 27gb on a songle dvd. http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.asp?RelatedID=4429 http://www.blu-ray.com/ http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-990826.html Any prices I have found are in the 3500 USD range. Hmm... come to think of it, were'nt DVD writers about 600 buck last christmas? About 100 bucks now. Let's hope that the blu-ray devices drop just as fast. William Park wrote: > On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 05:12:08PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > >>I have 2 identical 60G hard drives. I simply clone the entire drive >>onto the other, which is mounted in a removable tray. >> >>Also, the best backup system is redunancy. Make lots of copies, with >>off site storage, to minimize the potential loss. Live mirrors also >>help protect against physical damage. > > > 1. My advice to those experiencing flaky harddisk... Spend the money on > - good power supply and case > - good harddisk > - good motherboard > Of the above, power supply is most often overlooked. It's the most > important thing, in my opinion; and, I don't mean wattage rating on > those. > > 2. Since I'm running Slackware, I don't do complete system backup. I > only backup users data (ie. things that were added or modified since > install). When doing total restore, I just run a script to do the > complete installation of Linux from distribution CD; then, restore the > users data. For other distro, it may be different, because this depends > on whether you can do unattended complete install. > -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/(a)public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Data recovery emergency on a downed server... Help please!!
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 31 Dec '03

31 Dec '03

On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 05:12:08PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > I have 2 identical 60G hard drives. I simply clone the entire drive > onto the other, which is mounted in a removable tray. > > Also, the best backup system is redunancy. Make lots of copies, with > off site storage, to minimize the potential loss. Live mirrors also > help protect against physical damage. 1. My advice to those experiencing flaky harddisk... Spend the money on - good power supply and case - good harddisk - good motherboard Of the above, power supply is most often overlooked. It's the most important thing, in my opinion; and, I don't mean wattage rating on those. 2. Since I'm running Slackware, I don't do complete system backup. I only backup users data (ie. things that were added or modified since install). When doing total restore, I just run a script to do the complete installation of Linux from distribution CD; then, restore the users data. For other distro, it may be different, because this depends on whether you can do unattended complete install. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Data recovery emergency on a downed server... Help please!!
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 31 Dec '03

31 Dec '03

I have 2 identical 60G hard drives. I simply clone the entire drive onto the other, which is mounted in a removable tray. Also, the best backup system is redunancy. Make lots of copies, with off site storage, to minimize the potential loss. Live mirrors also help protect against physical damage. Wil McGilvery wrote: > I do not like using CD's because the storage is too small. Even DVD's are not quite big enough to completely back up a system. They are also cheap and you can still experience unreliability. Even the "good" cd's are still too unreliable for me. > > When I first got started I used dat tapes and sold some to customers. That was a big mistake. I was replacing the tape drive every year and once I had a new tape drive it was a crap shoot as to whether I could perform a restore or not from an old tape. > > If you are backing up your own data on your own system at your house then do what ever works because obviously price is a consideration, but if you are responsible for mission critical data, don't go cheap. It is just not worth it. Spend the money and do it properly. > > Like I said before, you get what you pay for. > > Regards, > > Wil McGilvery > Manager > Lynch Digital Media Inc > > > > 416-744-7949 > 416-716-3964 (cell) > 1-866-314-4678 > 416-744-0406 FAX > www.LynchDigital.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Cozens [mailto:kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org] > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 4:36 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: RE: [TLUG]: Data recovery emergency on a downed server... Help please!! > > At 12:55 PM 12/31/2003 -0500, Wil McGilvery wrote: > >>Backups in my opinion will never be a set it and forget it procedure. >>Periodic restores are necessary for peace of and the assurance that you >>can restore when necessary. > > > Tape and CD/DVD changers help but if the data is critical, someone still > has to physically move the backups off-site and put fresh tapes or CD/DVDs > in to the changer. > > >>I have not heard of anyone successfully using cd's for backup purposes, >>but I do know of people using removable hard drives as an alternate to >>tape backups. > > > No one has successfully used CD's or DVD's? What sort of stories have you > heard? Perhaps they were using el cheapo CD's? If one is serious about > having good backups, you don't go for the cheapest backup media you can get. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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qtpixmap
by ppieczora-Z6LL8UJvm6I＠public.gmane.org 31 Dec '03

31 Dec '03

I'm having problems loading gnome apps. (gimp-1.3:1209): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "qtpixmap" (evolution:1311): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "qtpixmap" ...... and so on. All gtk2 apps behave the same, they start but there is no text displayed. removing geramik, and qtpixmap does the same, except there is different msg. Distribution I'm using is suse 9.0 downloaded from their ftp server. I'm wondering if ppl who installed boxed version of suse 9.0 experienced same problems. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Data recovery emergency on a downed server... Help please!!
by wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE＠public.gmane.org 31 Dec '03

31 Dec '03

I do not like using CD's because the storage is too small. Even DVD's are not quite big enough to completely back up a system. They are also cheap and you can still experience unreliability. Even the "good" cd's are still too unreliable for me. When I first got started I used dat tapes and sold some to customers. That was a big mistake. I was replacing the tape drive every year and once I had a new tape drive it was a crap shoot as to whether I could perform a restore or not from an old tape. If you are backing up your own data on your own system at your house then do what ever works because obviously price is a consideration, but if you are responsible for mission critical data, don't go cheap. It is just not worth it. Spend the money and do it properly. Like I said before, you get what you pay for. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cozens [mailto:kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 4:36 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: Data recovery emergency on a downed server... Help please!! At 12:55 PM 12/31/2003 -0500, Wil McGilvery wrote: >Backups in my opinion will never be a set it and forget it procedure. >Periodic restores are necessary for peace of and the assurance that you >can restore when necessary. Tape and CD/DVD changers help but if the data is critical, someone still has to physically move the backups off-site and put fresh tapes or CD/DVDs in to the changer. >I have not heard of anyone successfully using cd's for backup purposes, >but I do know of people using removable hard drives as an alternate to >tape backups. No one has successfully used CD's or DVD's? What sort of stories have you heard? Perhaps they were using el cheapo CD's? If one is serious about having good backups, you don't go for the cheapest backup media you can get. Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb-XXPEJ3/fxIc at public.gmane.org#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Data recovery emergency on a downed server... Help please!!
by kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 31 Dec '03

31 Dec '03

At 12:55 PM 12/31/2003 -0500, Wil McGilvery wrote: >Backups in my opinion will never be a set it and forget it procedure. >Periodic restores are necessary for peace of and the assurance that you >can restore when necessary. Tape and CD/DVD changers help but if the data is critical, someone still has to physically move the backups off-site and put fresh tapes or CD/DVDs in to the changer. >I have not heard of anyone successfully using cd's for backup purposes, >but I do know of people using removable hard drives as an alternate to >tape backups. No one has successfully used CD's or DVD's? What sort of stories have you heard? Perhaps they were using el cheapo CD's? If one is serious about having good backups, you don't go for the cheapest backup media you can get. Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb-XXPEJ3/fxIc at public.gmane.org#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Ptoblem solved (was: Iptables logging under Debian)
by waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw＠public.gmane.org 31 Dec '03

31 Dec '03

On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 03:06:27PM -0500, Mike Waychison wrote > You need to turn down the kernel's logging to the console. This is done > by the kernel.printk sysctl or by writing to the four values to > /proc/sys/kernel/printk : > > echo "5 4 1 5" > /proc/sys/kernel/printk I've finally figured out what happened. What's personally satisfying is that I've also figured out why it didn't log in the past, but logs today. In the past *ALL* logging was handled by sysklogd, which dutifully follows the instructions in syslog.conf. The kernel maintainers, in their infinite wisdom, have recently decided to split the logging functions between klogd and sysklogd. According to the klogd manpage The functionality of klogd has been typically incorporated into other versions of syslogd but this seems to be a poor place for it. In the modern Linux kernel a number of ker? nel messaging issues such as sourcing, prioritization and resolution of kernel addresses must be addressed. Incor? porating kernel logging into a separate process offers a cleaner separation of services. And further quoting the same manpage... inclusion of default messaging levels for the kernel. In a stock kernel the the default console log level is set to 7. Any messages with a priority level numerically lower than 7 (higher priority) appear on the console. This is why the Debian kernel was logging those messages, when the Redhat 7.3 kernel was not. And since klogd doesn't follow syslog.conf, telling syslog.conf not to log info messages doesn't help. There are two solutions. 1) I chose to change to log-level 7. This is "debug", and does not get printed to console by the default klogd setup. 2) "klogd -c 6" in the init scripts would tell klogd not to print level 6 or 7 messages to console. -- Walter Dnes <waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org> Email users are divided into two classes; 1) Those who have effective spam-blocking 2) Those who wish they did -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Debian installation
by mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ＠public.gmane.org 31 Dec '03

31 Dec '03

On December 30, 2003 12:18 pm, Anton Markov wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello guys, > > I want to try out Debian (while I am on break from school), but I am > running into one problem after another. > Libranet is a Debian system developed by Canucks in B.C. The last release 'iso's' are free on their Website libranet.com. Just to experiment it should be ok, or you can get experience with the apt-get ( or aptitude ) method of updating. Assuming you have a high speed connection. Cheerio -- Merv Curley Scarborough, Ont Libranet Linux 2.8 KDE 3.1.4 KMail 1.5.4 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Data recovery emergency on a downed server... Help please!!
by wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE＠public.gmane.org 31 Dec '03

31 Dec '03

One success story is better than none :) Thanks for the info. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: Terrence Enger [mailto:tenger-ew0EfhANLmVEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 1:32 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: Data recovery emergency on a downed server... Help please!! At 12:55 2003-12-31 -0500, Wil McGilvery wrote: > > I have not heard of anyone successfully using cd's for backup purposes, but I do know of people using removable hard drives as an alternate to tape backups. > I have been using CDs for a while now. Quite frankly, the cost of writer and media was the motivating factor, and I thought that tape would be "better". However, the earlier comments here make me think maybe I made a lucky choice. The backup CDs carried me through one recovery after I hosed my system quite thoroughly, and every month or so they save me after a slip of the brain. But, now that you mention it, it *is* time to test complete recovery again. BTW, I have Windows and Linux machines at my desk. I find myself moveing more and more to the Linux box just because my Linux backup procedure is easy enough that I can run it frequently. Terry. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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